mol-general Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9
A S Hodel
hodelas at mac.com
Tue May 23 13:20:45 MDT 2006
I looked at them briefly, but I'd need an hour or t wo to properly
digest the details. I'll get back to you ASAP. We may need to telecon
after we've reviewed things.
See ya!
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> 1. RE: MOL running Mac (Steven Mezzadri)
> 2. RE: MOL running Mac (Steven Mezzadri)
> 3. Re: MOL running Mac (Joseph Jezak)
> 4. RE: [Spam?] Re: MOL running Mac (Steven Mezzadri)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:47:57 -0400
> From: "Steven Mezzadri" <smezzadr at livonia.k12.mi.us>
> Subject: RE: MOL running Mac
> To: "'Mac-on-Linux General Discussion List'"
> <mol-general at lists.maconlinux.org>
> Message-ID: <000701c67e5e$bc053000$04010a0a at ad.livonia.k12.mi.us>
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> Let me give you a bit more background:
>
> I have tried for a few weeks now to get mol 0.70-0.71pre to run on
> several
> distributions of Linux (I spent the most time with Suse 10.1, Fedora
> 4, and
> Yellow Dog 4.1 because I am most familiar with RPM-based distros).
>
> I have been able to compile your package "mol-0.9.71_pre8.tar.bz2"
> using
> "make / make install" successfully on most all of them, but after I'm
> done
> and have completed molvconfig the same thing always happens:
>
> I type "startmol -cdboot" with an OS9 cdrom in the drive or just
> "startmol"
> with a mac partition on the machine, I consistently get a white window
> with
> nothing in it.. No error messages in the console window either -- he
> machine just sits idle. If I do "startmol -X" the window turns black
> or
> white then gray, checks the cd-drive for media, then quits, because I
> don't
> have OS X here, not even a boot CD... and even so, I want to run 9,
> not X.
>
> Mol 0.68/0.69 works fine with OS9 on all Kernel 2.4-based linux
> distributions I've tried (best luck was with Mandrake 9.1/Yellowdog
> 3.0.1),
> but these older distributions lack a lot of other features I want,
> like ALSA
> sound support, newer GLIBC libraries, and other components.
>
> The hardware we have here is an iMac/350 with 320 MB RAM, 7 GB HD,
> CD-ROM.
> We have 100's of these machines here and they run Linux very quickly,
> but to
> move them to linux, I need to keep the old OS 9 applications available.
>
> I've been using Finnix 0.87 to image the machines and to create a
> bootable
> CD-ROM to duplicate my images on other iMacs, and that process works
> great... Just need the magic touch now to turn that white screen into
> a
> "happy mac" :)
>
> ~Steve~
>
>
>> Steven Mezzadri wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> All 0.9.7x version run macos9 here.
>>
>> Atm I am using
>> Mac-on-Linux 0.9.71-pre8 [Feb 4 2006 11:55]
>>
>> which runs macos9 very fine :)
>>
>> using Debian, but I compiled my mol myself using
>>
>> http://dev.gentoo.org/~josejx/mol-0.9.71_pre8.tar.bz2
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone has been able to get Mac OS 9.x running
>>> under MOL 0.9.70 or newer on any distro of Linux, more specifically
>>> an
>>> RPM-based distro like Yellow Dog if it was possible.
>>>
>>> I have only been able to get 0.9.68 to run OS 9 under Mandrake 9.1
>>> and
>>> 0.9.69 to run OS 9 under YellowDog 3.0.1 so far.
>>>
>>> I would like to use a more modern distribution, however. If 0.9.7x
>>> cannot run OS 9, then has anyone been able to get MOL 0.9.68 running
>>> on a newer distro? I can't seem to compile that on newer versions
>>> either.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:54:34 -0400
> From: "Steven Mezzadri" <smezzadr at livonia.k12.mi.us>
> Subject: RE: MOL running Mac
> To: <mol-general at lists.maconlinux.org>
> Message-ID: <000d01c67e5f$a9086390$04010a0a at ad.livonia.k12.mi.us>
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> I would like to try that:
>
> What is the URL for the debian site you used to get these patches?
> Did you
> ever get alsa sound support working?
>
> ~Steve~
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mol-general-bounces at lists.maconlinux.org
> [mailto:mol-general-bounces at lists.maconlinux.org] On Behalf Of Henry A.
> Leinhos
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:33 AM
> To: Mac-on-Linux General Discussion List
> Subject: Re: MOL running Mac
>
> It's been a while since I've done this, an this was only because the
> MOL
> that shipped with Yellow Dog Linux was broken for MacOS 9.x, and I have
> a G4 machine. I need to sort through my install to see *exactly* what I
> did, but I can give you a rough idea of what I did to get my
> installation working.
>
> What I have right now is YDL 4.0 installed on a G4/466 desktop running
> a
> 2.6.12 kernel. I grabbed the mol-0.9.70 sources from the Debian site
> and applied (I think) up to patch-17 (there's alot of Debian-specific
> stuff in those patches, so I think I edited out some of it to get it to
> install on my YDL box). There was also another patch out there that
> addresses a performance with newer kernels, as well as another one to
> address scheduling priority (I think -- MacOS 9 was *slow* unless I
> disabled MOL Audio).
>
> As I said before, I think most of these patches have been discussed in
> this list, but I'll try to collect what I have. You certainly should
> try Greg's gentoo link first, though (I know I will when I upgrade to
> Fedora Core 5).
>
> Regards,
> Henry
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 18:54 -0400, smezzadr at livonia.k12.mi.us wrote:
>> really!? that's great! what version(s)/distribution(s) of linux?
>>
>> what compiler, libraries, dependencies, kernel, etc. did you use?
>>
>> do you mind if I pick your brain a little?
>>
>> ~Steve~
>>
>>> Steven Mezzadri wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> All 0.9.7x version run macos9 here.
>>>
>>> Atm I am using
>>> Mac-on-Linux 0.9.71-pre8 [Feb 4 2006 11:55]
>>>
>>> which runs macos9 very fine :)
>>>
>>> using Debian, but I compiled my mol myself using
>>>
>>> http://dev.gentoo.org/~josejx/mol-0.9.71_pre8.tar.bz2
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering if anyone has been able to get Mac OS 9.x running
>>>> under MOL 0.9.70 or newer on any distro of Linux, more specifically
>> an
>>>> RPM-based distro like Yellow Dog if it was possible.
>>>>
>>>> I have only been able to get 0.9.68 to run OS 9 under Mandrake 9.1
>> and
>>>> 0.9.69 to run OS 9 under YellowDog 3.0.1 so far.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to use a more modern distribution, however. If 0.9.7x
>>>> cannot run OS 9, then has anyone been able to get MOL 0.9.68
>> running
>>>> on a newer distro? I can't seem to compile that on newer versions
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:51:27 -0400
> From: Joseph Jezak <josejx at gentoo.org>
> Subject: Re: MOL running Mac
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> Steven Mezzadri wrote:
>> Let me give you a bit more background:
>>
>> I have tried for a few weeks now to get mol 0.70-0.71pre to run on
>> several
>> distributions of Linux (I spent the most time with Suse 10.1, Fedora
>> 4, and
>> Yellow Dog 4.1 because I am most familiar with RPM-based distros).
>>
>> I have been able to compile your package "mol-0.9.71_pre8.tar.bz2"
>> using
>> "make / make install" successfully on most all of them, but after I'm
>> done
>> and have completed molvconfig the same thing always happens:
>>
>> I type "startmol -cdboot" with an OS9 cdrom in the drive or just
>> "startmol"
>> with a mac partition on the machine, I consistently get a white
>> window with
>> nothing in it.. No error messages in the console window either -- he
>> machine just sits idle. If I do "startmol -X" the window turns black
>> or
>> white then gray, checks the cd-drive for media, then quits, because I
>> don't
>> have OS X here, not even a boot CD... and even so, I want to run 9,
>> not X.
>>
>> Mol 0.68/0.69 works fine with OS9 on all Kernel 2.4-based linux
>> distributions I've tried (best luck was with Mandrake 9.1/Yellowdog
>> 3.0.1),
>> but these older distributions lack a lot of other features I want,
>> like ALSA
>> sound support, newer GLIBC libraries, and other components.
>>
>> The hardware we have here is an iMac/350 with 320 MB RAM, 7 GB HD,
>> CD-ROM.
>> We have 100's of these machines here and they run Linux very quickly,
>> but to
>> move them to linux, I need to keep the old OS 9 applications
>> available.
>>
>> I've been using Finnix 0.87 to image the machines and to create a
>> bootable
>> CD-ROM to duplicate my images on other iMacs, and that process works
>> great... Just need the magic touch now to turn that white screen
>> into a
>> "happy mac" :)
>>
>> ~Steve~
>
> It *should* work fine. I have MacOS 9.2.2 that I use for testing here
> and it does boot fine from a disk image with mol-0.9.71_pre8. Can you
> try deleting /var/lib/mol/nvram* and try again?
>
> - -Joe
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:59:28 -0400
> From: "Steven Mezzadri" <smezzadr at livonia.k12.mi.us>
> Subject: RE: [Spam?] Re: MOL running Mac
> To: "'Mac-on-Linux General Discussion List'"
> <mol-general at lists.maconlinux.org>
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> I just wiped my machine and installed YellowDog 4.0 which Henry
> Leinhos has
> had luck with. I am going to try his suggestions as well as yours,
> and with
> any luck it will work with some combination.
>
> I have started with the base YellowDog MOL 0.9.71.pre1 which is known
> not to
> work with OS 9, and I deleted the /var/lib/mol/nvram* and it recreated
> it on
> the next run, but still the white screen.
>
> So, I uninstalled YDL's mol pacakges, rebooted to get the kernel
> module out
> of memory, and proceeded to compile the 0.9.71.pre8 from the package
> you
> gave me. As usual it compiled without any problems.
>
> Still, when I tried "startmol" and "startmol --cdboot" with the new
> version,
> both brought up the white screen with nothing in it. (same symptom as
> the
> broken YDL package). (startmol -X still appears to work, but I'm not
> running X).
>
> Something of note, with your pre8 release, it did not create any
> /var/lib/mol/nvram* files.
>
> So, I guess what would you recommend I try next?
>
> Newer kernels - http://ppckernel.org/
> Patches - ?
> Manually copy /var/lib/mol/nvram* files from YDL's version?
> Other - ?
>
>
> ~Steve~
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mol-general-bounces at lists.maconlinux.org
> [mailto:mol-general-bounces at lists.maconlinux.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
> Jezak
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:51 AM
> To: Mac-on-Linux General Discussion List
> Subject: [Spam?] Re: MOL running Mac
>
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> Steven Mezzadri wrote:
>> Let me give you a bit more background:
>>
>> I have tried for a few weeks now to get mol 0.70-0.71pre to run on
>> several
>> distributions of Linux (I spent the most time with Suse 10.1, Fedora
>> 4,
> and
>> Yellow Dog 4.1 because I am most familiar with RPM-based distros).
>>
>> I have been able to compile your package "mol-0.9.71_pre8.tar.bz2"
>> using
>> "make / make install" successfully on most all of them, but after I'm
>> done
>> and have completed molvconfig the same thing always happens:
>>
>> I type "startmol -cdboot" with an OS9 cdrom in the drive or just
> "startmol"
>> with a mac partition on the machine, I consistently get a white window
> with
>> nothing in it.. No error messages in the console window either -- he
>> machine just sits idle. If I do "startmol -X" the window turns black
>> or
>> white then gray, checks the cd-drive for media, then quits, because I
> don't
>> have OS X here, not even a boot CD... and even so, I want to run 9,
>> not X.
>>
>> Mol 0.68/0.69 works fine with OS9 on all Kernel 2.4-based linux
>> distributions I've tried (best luck was with Mandrake 9.1/Yellowdog
> 3.0.1),
>> but these older distributions lack a lot of other features I want,
>> like
> ALSA
>> sound support, newer GLIBC libraries, and other components.
>>
>> The hardware we have here is an iMac/350 with 320 MB RAM, 7 GB HD,
>> CD-ROM.
>> We have 100's of these machines here and they run Linux very quickly,
>> but
> to
>> move them to linux, I need to keep the old OS 9 applications
>> available.
>>
>> I've been using Finnix 0.87 to image the machines and to create a
>> bootable
>> CD-ROM to duplicate my images on other iMacs, and that process works
>> great... Just need the magic touch now to turn that white screen
>> into a
>> "happy mac" :)
>>
>> ~Steve~
>
> It *should* work fine. I have MacOS 9.2.2 that I use for testing here
> and it does boot fine from a disk image with mol-0.9.71_pre8. Can you
> try deleting /var/lib/mol/nvram* and try again?
>
> - -Joe
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