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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Wavelan wireless card (Edward G Finegan)
2. PCI Nic recomendations (Robert Serphillips)
3. Re: Backup devices - idea (bronto)
4. Re: PCI Nic recomendations (Iain Stevenson)
5. Re: Max harddrive size in a Pb3400 (Andrew Ptak)
6. Re: Backup devices - idea (Nathan A. McQuillen)
7. Re: Backup devices - idea (Timothy A. Seufert)
8. Re: Backup devices - idea (Timothy A. Seufert)
9. Re: Wavelan wireless card (Paul J. Lucas)
10. Re: Backup devices - idea (bronto)
11. Re: Max harddrive size in a Pb3400 (jon1101)
12. Modem in YDL 2.1 on a Mac G4 (Tim Dehring)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:11:28 -0400
From: Edward G Finegan <edfinegan@mac.com>
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Subject: Re: Wavelan wireless card
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
I think the biggest problem is lack info. Paul Lucas page was great but
wasn't for the 2.4 kernel. Maybe we should compare notes and try to
creat a better, more indepth howto.
Shawn Coomey wrote:
> I here that.
>
> I went through the same process about 3 months ago, and it was a bear.
> Most of my problems were due to the fact that I don't have an
> officially supported card (Farallon SkyLine - which ended up working
> with the Orinoco Prism II drivers). Seriously, it was about 16 hours
> of tinkering to get it to work.
>
> S
>
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2002, at 10:08 AM, Edward G Finegan wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the help, but after a long nights sleep I seemed to have
>> fixed the problem by changing a few settings to "auto". As soon as I
>> get my thoughts together I will post the instructions that I
>> followed, since there isn't much documentation out there for this setup.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> Paul J. Lucas wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Edward G Finegan wrote:
>>>
>>>> However i'm having problems at the very last step. When i run
>>>>
>>>> SCHEME=home /etc/init.d/pcmcia start
>>>>
>>>> it outputs
>>>>
>>>> cardmgr[4891]: watching 1 sockets
>>>> cardmgr[4891]: Card Services release dose not match
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I've never seen that before. I assume you did actually
>>> create a "home" scheme, right?
>>>
>>>> and the light on the card stays on untill i try to ifup eth1, it
>>>> will then show up by doing an ifconfig, but will not have an IP, it
>>>> is tring to use DHCP but seems to fail.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would help if you gave more information like whether you are
>>> having the Airport base station also do DHCP. (I personally
>>> don't have my base station do DHCP.)
>>>
>>> - Paul
>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:00:01 -0500
From: Robert Serphillips <rserphillips@austin.rr.com>
To: ydl <yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com>
Subject: PCI Nic recomendations
Organization: Home
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It's for an 8500 to set up a gateway box. The local Fry's has a decent
return policy but I'm hoping to save a few trips.
How can you determine a DEC/Tulip card and/or DEC 21041 card as per
YDL's supported device page?
-Rob
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:13:19 -0700
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
From: bronto <bronto@csd-bes.net>
Subject: Re: Backup devices - idea
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Here's an idea - maybe someone with experience can comment on it.
I'm thinking I may be able to get the best of all worlds by using
removable/swapable hard drives as my media. They're fast, reusable,
large capacity, and relatively cheap. According to my inquiries,
about as cheap per gigabyte as tapes, so I could even archive them
and not re-use them if I were so inclined. My questions are: 1)
Reliability - in theory if treated with respect they should be as
reliable as permanently installed HD's, but is that realistic, 2)
will they be hot-swappable in linux? Will I have to manually mount
the drive everytime they are rotated (daily)? I know they don't have
to be on Windows or Mac, but Linux? and 3) Compatibility - will using
these drives throw a curve ball at standard backup utilities?
TIA
Rob
>On May 31, 2002 08:19 pm, Bill Fink wrote:
>> On Fri May 31 2002, bronto wrote:
>> > I do like the idea of the useable and cheap media, but the low
>> > capacity is a turn off. This will be for a remote server and I don't
>> > want to have an administrator standing there swapping disks just to
>> > complete a full backup. Unless you see a way around that, what are
>> > the second choices?
>>
>> If you have a reasonable size network pipe, how about rsync to a disk
>> on another machine. Once the initial backup is made, the subsequent
>> incremental deltas might not even be all that large. Of course take
>> proper security precautions like making the server data read only to
>> rsync, restrict access to only the backup system, and use an rsync
>> password.
>
>I use mondo (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) on all my remote machines. It
>creates bootable iso images which can be burned onto cd, put onto tape,
>rsynced, ftped, etc. I make one system iso, burn it to cd, and create a
>weekly iso of /etc, and a daily iso of /var/www. Then rsync these to a remote
>location. Works great if theres a fire, and all hardware is destroyed you
>can still be back up in a few ours. Provided you can find a location of
>course ;-).
>
>--
>Neil Jolly
>
>(with Yoda-like voice)
>"Confrontation leads to anger... Anger leads to fear... Fear leads
>to using Windows NT in mission-critical combat systems... And this is
>how the ancients fell...
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:34:42 +0100
From: Iain Stevenson <iain@iainstevenson.com>
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Subject: Re: PCI Nic recomendations
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Reading the number on the Ethernet controller chip is your only guarantee
of a tulip!
I have a Farallon Fast EtherTX-10/100 which is a Tulip and has worked
perfectly from day one in one of my 9600s.
I also have a Netgear 10/100 Ethernet Network Card (bought from Fry's when
I was on your side of the pond) Model FA311. That's a bit fussy ie it
doesn't work with one port on my hub. However, the driver's had a bit of
work done on it recently so it may be better. The card uses a Natsemi
driver.
Iain
--On Saturday, June 01, 2002 14:00:01 -0500 Robert Serphillips
<rserphillips@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> It's for an 8500 to set up a gateway box. The local Fry's has a decent
> return policy but I'm hoping to save a few trips.
> How can you determine a DEC/Tulip card and/or DEC 21041 card as per
> YDL's supported device page?
>
> -Rob
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 16:22:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Ptak <ptak@skysrv.pha.jhu.edu>
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Cc: enrique@obel.auc.dk
Subject: Re: Max harddrive size in a Pb3400
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Hello Henrik,
I'm not sure about MacOS restrictions but I have a 20 Gb drive in my PB
3400, most of it initialized as ext2. I have several few Gb MacOS
partitions but its been a while since I've booted it in MacOS. From
http://store.powerbook1.com/harddrives.html#ide
(where I got my drive), it looks like you can go up to 60 Gb.
Cheers,
Andy Ptak
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:35:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Nathan A. McQuillen" <nm@steaky.dhs.org>
To: <yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Backup devices - idea
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Are you referring to drives like the Jaz, Orb, etc.?
n.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:21:46 -0700
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
From: "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Backup devices - idea
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
At 12:13 PM -0700 6/1/02, bronto wrote:
>Here's an idea - maybe someone with experience can comment on it.
>
>I'm thinking I may be able to get the best of all worlds by using
>removable/swapable hard drives as my media. They're fast, reusable,
>large capacity, and relatively cheap. According to my inquiries, about
>as cheap per gigabyte as tapes, so I could even archive them and not
>re-use them if I were so inclined. My questions are: 1) Reliability -
>in theory if treated with respect they should be as reliable as
>permanently installed HD's, but is that realistic,
You will need to treat them with a lot of respect. One of the major
reliability problems for hard drives is improper handling leading to
eventual failure. Definitely a lot more susceptible to physical
impact than tapes.
>2) will they be
>hot-swappable in linux? Will I have to manually mount the drive
>everytime they are rotated (daily)? I know they don't have to be on
>Windows or Mac, but Linux? and
The major problem is hardware support for hotswap, the secondary
problem software support. If you plan on using IDE drives and a
built-in IDE controller, think again. IDE is not designed to hot
swap and you can kill drives trying to do so. Furthermore, last time
I researched the topic, the Linux kernel has no concept of IDE drives
going away and coming back.
(Some of the removable IDE drive carrier kits claim to provide safe
hotswap capability, and they may well do so, but the kernel still
won't know how to handle it.)
SCSI, on the other hand, has officially defined ways for devices and
host adapters to support hot swap. These days, almost any Ultra 160
SCSI drive and/or HA probably has hotswap support (but read docs to
be sure; most SCSI HDs have extensive technical manuals that can be
found on the mfr's web site if you dig enough). The kernel supports
rescanning SCSI IDs and there is a script out there which automates
rescanning all SCSI busses (search for rescan-scsi-bus.sh on Google).
This will be a lot more expensive than you were anticipating however.
The third way (that I know of) which solves both the hardware problem
and the software problem is to use FireWire. FireWire is
hotswappable by design, of course. The trick on the software side is
that FireWire storage devices look like SCSI to Linux, even if
they're really IDE in the end. (The FireWire storage device protocol
is nothing more than a way of using FireWire as a transport for SCSI
commands, so it really is a form of SCSI.) The IDE-to-FireWire
boards used to create FireWire hard drives handle the job of
translating commands and results between the SCSI domain and the IDE
hard disk drive.
So, your setup would be a removable hard drive frame in a 5.25"
external FireWire case. To swap out a drive, you would:
1. Unmount it
2. Unplug the FireWire cable
3. Power down the external drive case
4. Remove the HD
5. Put in a new one
6. Power up the case
7. Plug the FW cable in
8. Rescan the "SCSI" bus
9. Mount the drive
(optionally, after (1) perform a SCSI bus rescan to let the kernel
know that the drive was removed).
>3) Compatibility - will using these drives throw a curve ball at
>standard backup utilities?
That would depend on the utility you use, I would guess.
--
Tim Seufert
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:22:34 -0700
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
From: "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Backup devices - idea
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
P.S. What I forgot to mention about the firewire idea is that your
mileage may vary on FireWire under Linux -- the drivers are not fully
mature yet.
--
Tim Seufert
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:46:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul J. Lucas" <pauljlucas@mac.com>
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Subject: Re: Wavelan wireless card
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Edward G Finegan wrote:
> I think the biggest problem is lack info. Paul Lucas page was great but
> wasn't for the 2.4 kernel.
I'm actually currently running a 2.4 kernel. If you read what
my page actually says, it lists "minimum requirements" with
those being a 2.2 kernel. I don't say anything about a 2.4
kernel because, at least for me, everything that I wrote for
the 2.2 kernel still applies.
- Paul
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 16:00:11 -0700
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
From: bronto <bronto@csd-bes.net>
Subject: Re: Backup devices - idea
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Thanks Tim;
It sounds like my idea is a little bit ahead of it's time. Glad I didn't
but the stuff when I was shopping today.
Rob
At 02:21 PM 6/1/02 -0700, you wrote:
>At 12:13 PM -0700 6/1/02, bronto wrote:
>>Here's an idea - maybe someone with experience can comment on it.
>>
>>I'm thinking I may be able to get the best of all worlds by using
>>removable/swapable hard drives as my media. They're fast, reusable,
>>large capacity, and relatively cheap. According to my inquiries, about
>>as cheap per gigabyte as tapes, so I could even archive them and not
>>re-use them if I were so inclined. My questions are: 1) Reliability -
>>in theory if treated with respect they should be as reliable as
>>permanently installed HD's, but is that realistic,
>
>You will need to treat them with a lot of respect. One of the major
>reliability problems for hard drives is improper handling leading to
>eventual failure. Definitely a lot more susceptible to physical impact
>than tapes.
>
>>2) will they be
>>hot-swappable in linux? Will I have to manually mount the drive
>>everytime they are rotated (daily)? I know they don't have to be on
>>Windows or Mac, but Linux? and
>
>The major problem is hardware support for hotswap, the secondary problem
>software support. If you plan on using IDE drives and a built-in IDE
>controller, think again. IDE is not designed to hot swap and you can kill
>drives trying to do so. Furthermore, last time I researched the topic,
>the Linux kernel has no concept of IDE drives going away and coming back.
>
>(Some of the removable IDE drive carrier kits claim to provide safe
>hotswap capability, and they may well do so, but the kernel still won't
>know how to handle it.)
>
>SCSI, on the other hand, has officially defined ways for devices and host
>adapters to support hot swap. These days, almost any Ultra 160 SCSI drive
>and/or HA probably has hotswap support (but read docs to be sure; most
>SCSI HDs have extensive technical manuals that can be found on the mfr's
>web site if you dig enough). The kernel supports rescanning SCSI IDs and
>there is a script out there which automates rescanning all SCSI busses
>(search for rescan-scsi-bus.sh on Google). This will be a lot more
>expensive than you were anticipating however.
>
>The third way (that I know of) which solves both the hardware problem and
>the software problem is to use FireWire. FireWire is hotswappable by
>design, of course. The trick on the software side is that FireWire
>storage devices look like SCSI to Linux, even if they're really IDE in the
>end. (The FireWire storage device protocol is nothing more than a way of
>using FireWire as a transport for SCSI commands, so it really is a form of
>SCSI.) The IDE-to-FireWire boards used to create FireWire hard drives
>handle the job of translating commands and results between the SCSI domain
>and the IDE hard disk drive.
>
>So, your setup would be a removable hard drive frame in a 5.25" external
>FireWire case. To swap out a drive, you would:
>
>1. Unmount it
>2. Unplug the FireWire cable
>3. Power down the external drive case
>4. Remove the HD
>5. Put in a new one
>6. Power up the case
>7. Plug the FW cable in
>8. Rescan the "SCSI" bus
>9. Mount the drive
>
>(optionally, after (1) perform a SCSI bus rescan to let the kernel know
>that the drive was removed).
>
>>3) Compatibility - will using these drives throw a curve ball at
>>standard backup utilities?
>
>That would depend on the utility you use, I would guess.
>--
>Tim Seufert
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 19:37:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Max harddrive size in a Pb3400
From: jon1101 <jon1101@chartermi.net>
To: <yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com>
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
The four gig limit only applies to SCSI disk mode. You can put pretty much
any size hard drive as long as you don't want to use SCSI disk mode. The
macos can use any size hard drive. If you buy a hard drive larger than four
gigs you will no longer be able to use SCSI disk mode without major disk
corruption. (I found that out the hard way)
-Jon
> From: Henrik Farre <enrique@obel.auc.dk>
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 17:36:26 +0200
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> Subject: Max harddrive size in a Pb3400
>
> Yello
>
> I have read some where (typical that I can't find it now) that the
> powerbook3400 only supports a harddrive of max 4Gb Is this true, or is it
> only a limitation of MacOS? If I added a 10Gb harddrive and assigned 4Gb
> to MacOS and the rest to linux would that work?
>
>
> --
> Mvh. / Kind regards Henrik Farre
> < enrique AT obel DOT auc DOT dk >< http://www.cs.auc.dk/~enrique >
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:54:04 -0400
Subject: Modem in YDL 2.1 on a Mac G4
From: Tim Dehring <xviper74@mac.com>
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
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Power Mac G4/400, 704MB RAM.
3 partitions, 1st is YDL 2.1, second is OS 9.2.2, and the last is OS X
10.1.4.
Now, when setting up a modem, it identifies it. When I click the debug
button in the network configuration panel, I can clearly hear it dial
and connect properly. Since it works, I close out and open the PPP
Dialer app, but to no avail, no sound or connection is being made.
Anyone have any insight?
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Mac G4/400, 704MB RAM.
3 partitions, 1st is YDL 2.1, second is OS 9.2.2, and the last is OS X
10.1.4.
Now, when setting up a modem, it identifies it. When I click the debug
button in the network configuration panel, I can clearly hear it dial
and connect properly. Since it works, I close out and open the PPP
Dialer app, but to no avail, no sound or connection is being made.
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