Bad language
Moyer, Steven
yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Mon Dec 8 13:46:02 2003
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It is entirely possible that the user that you are referring to is me. I am
in State College, PA and I work for a company that uses Scan-mail (which I
have no control over). I certainly can't say that I'm the only one since
the Penn State University is here (heavy with Mac hardware in some
departments) and the largest local school district is also Mac-based.
Having your e-mail blocked doesn't actually bother me at all, as I don't
necessarily want the e-mail that typically contains language such as this.
In your case, there was a technical basis for the e-mail, but often, this is
spam advertising pr0n, etc. As this is a technical mailing list, I am
however surprised that your expressions can't be more accurately conveyed
using other words. Assuming English is your second language, I'm also
impressed at your ability to properly conjugate the odd verbs we use. It's
a shame that we're also exporting our vulgarities.
In any case, I will take a two-pronged approach. First, I'm copying this
e-mail to our IT department, as they maintain the configuration of the
ScanMail application (the IEEE mailing list is also complaining). Second,
I'm going to unsubscribe from this list as the quality of the YellowDog
distribution seems to get slower and buggier with each release. Don't get
me wrong, I have been a happy user for several versions, but with Gentoo, if
I don't like something, it's my own fault.
Steve Moyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Atro Tossavainen [mailto:atro.tossavainen+ydl@helsinki.fi]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:48 AM
To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Subject: Bad language
I am sorry for the following off-topic message. It is not related to
Macintosh, or to Yellow Dog Linux, but is tangentially related to how
one behaves on mailing lists, so here goes.
I wrote in my last message:
> Ef you see kay nVidia, I say.
The unprotected version of the sentence above provoked the wrath of
the ScanMail system of a subscriber in State College, Pennsylvania.
The system sent me an automatic notice to say that the message had
been quarantined.
While I am perfectly aware of the vulgar and rude nature of the word
I used and others of its kind, I would nonetheless make the bold
suggestion that people who subscribe to any mailing lists should do so
from accounts not protected by automatic childminders, content-related
spam filters, etc., and definitely not attended to by autoresponders.
When I post a message to a mailing list, all I need to know is whether
the moderator of the list approves of it. If they don't, they will
surely indicate that (for example, by terminating my membership).
What I _don't_ need to know is whether one or more of the list members
did not receive my message because of politikal hyperkorrektness, or
because they're on holiday and meanwhile, Wendy Flintstone is taking
care of business, or because somebody's misguided spam filter thinks
that helsinki.fi must be a spammer domain because it's not in .com,
.net, .org, .edu or .mil.
Sorry about the rambling, but I really am quite bored to tears of
politikal korrektness and autoresponders of any kind on mailing lists.
--
Atro Tossavainen (Mr.) / The Institute of Biotechnology at
Systems Analyst, Techno-Amish & / the University of Helsinki, Finland,
+358-9-19158939 UNIX Dinosaur / employs me, but my opinions are my own.
< URL : http : / / www . helsinki . fi / %7E atossava / > NO FILE
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It is entirely possible that the user that you are =
referring to is me. I am in State College, PA and I work for a =
company that uses Scan-mail (which I have no control over). I =
certainly can't say that I'm the only one since the Penn State =
University is here (heavy with Mac hardware in some departments) and =
the largest local school district is also Mac-based.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Having your e-mail blocked doesn't actually bother me =
at all, as I don't necessarily want the e-mail that typically contains =
language such as this. In your case, there was a technical basis =
for the e-mail, but often, this is spam advertising pr0n, etc. As =
this is a technical mailing list, I am however surprised that your =
expressions can't be more accurately conveyed using other words. =
Assuming English is your second language, I'm also impressed at your =
ability to properly conjugate the odd verbs we use. It's a shame =
that we're also exporting our vulgarities.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In any case, I will take a two-pronged =
approach. First, I'm copying this e-mail to our IT department, as =
they maintain the configuration of the ScanMail application (the IEEE =
mailing list is also complaining). Second, I'm going to =
unsubscribe from this list as the quality of the YellowDog distribution =
seems to get slower and buggier with each release. Don't get me =
wrong, I have been a happy user for several versions, but with Gentoo, =
if I don't like something, it's my own fault.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Steve Moyer</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Atro Tossavainen [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:atro.tossavainen+ydl@helsinki.fi">mailto:atro.tossavainen=
+ydl@helsinki.fi</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:48 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: =
yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Bad language</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am sorry for the following off-topic message. =
It is not related to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Macintosh, or to Yellow Dog Linux, but is =
tangentially related to how</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>one behaves on mailing lists, so here goes.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I wrote in my last message:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Ef you see kay nVidia, I say.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The unprotected version of the sentence above =
provoked the wrath of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the ScanMail system of a subscriber in State =
College, Pennsylvania.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The system sent me an automatic notice to say that =
the message had</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>been quarantined.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>While I am perfectly aware of the vulgar and rude =
nature of the word</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I used and others of its kind, I would nonetheless =
make the bold</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>suggestion that people who subscribe to any mailing =
lists should do so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>from accounts not protected by automatic =
childminders, content-related</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>spam filters, etc., and definitely not attended to =
by autoresponders.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>When I post a message to a mailing list, all I need =
to know is whether</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the moderator of the list approves of it. If =
they don't, they will</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>surely indicate that (for example, by terminating my =
membership).</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What I _don't_ need to know is whether one or more of =
the list members</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>did not receive my message because of politikal =
hyperkorrektness, or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>because they're on holiday and meanwhile, Wendy =
Flintstone is taking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>care of business, or because somebody's misguided =
spam filter thinks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that helsinki.fi must be a spammer domain because =
it's not in .com,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>.net, .org, .edu or .mil.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sorry about the rambling, but I really am quite bored =
to tears of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>politikal korrektness and autoresponders of any kind =
on mailing lists.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Atro Tossavainen =
(Mr.) &=
nbsp; / The Institute of Biotechnology at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Systems Analyst, Techno-Amish =
& / the University of Helsinki, =
Finland,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>+358-9-19158939 UNIX =
Dinosaur / employs me, but my opinions are my =
own.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>< URL : http : / / www . helsinki . fi / %7E =
atossava / > NO FILE ATTACHMENTS</FONT>
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