OS X and Linux on x86
Ryan Nix
yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Tue Jul 13 21:30:03 2004
On the contrary, J.T. If you build it, and there is demand, which there
is, people will buy it.
Have you ever run Codeweavers or Transgaming X on Linux x86? It's
awesome. Both offerings have come a long way in 2 years. Native
Windows applications from Office XP to Jedi Knight both run extremely
well even though they were written for Windows. If Apple put some
resources behind Wine, they could have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Windows
applications running on OS X right out of the box.
Secondly, why wouldn't Adobe recompile all their apps to x86 if there
was demand? Wouldn't be any work at all, especially if you did direct
purchase/distribution over the web.
J.T.Blaylock wrote:
> Programs in running WINE aren't really running natively. Sure, the CPU
> instructions are the same, but its an OS inside an OS, like the OS X
> Classic environment or MOL. People won't go for that, I think. If OS X
> was released for x86 tomorrow, there would be no programs to run on
> it. Yeah, they run on Windows and Linux, but not OS X. People would
> not want to recompile Linux apps for OS X, even in the cases where it
> is possible.
>
> J.T.
> On Jul 13, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Ryan Nix wrote:
>
>> I'm talking the whole OS, not just the kernel.
>> Imagine Apple putting just a tiny-winy bit of work into the Wine
>> project for x86. Apple could literally have every program that runs
>> on Windows running natively on OSX. That is what they should be doing.
>>
>> Norberto Quintanar wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan,
>>> OSX for x86 = FreeBSD
>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
>>>
>>> --- Ryan Nix <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marcelo:
>>>>
>>>> Switch to x86. G5s suck. They are heavy, cut your hands, and take
>>>> up an unbelievable amount of space. In an industry where everything
>>>> is getting lighter and less expensive, the G5 went the other
>>>> direction. Apple needs to spend less time on "looking cool" and
>>>> making things functional for customers. Form follows function.
>>>>
>>>> Apple would be better off if they would just release OS X for x86.
>>>>
>>>> - Ryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marcelo Giles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with you, Walt. Same thing I always wonder at. Why spend
>>>>>
>>>> all
>>>>
>>>>> that precious time chasing after the latest, fastest, newest,
>>>>>
>>>> greatest
>>>>
>>>>> software/hardware. If computers were used for what they were
>>>>>
>>>> meant to
>>>>
>>>>> be, ie tools, not just collectible items, we would be spending
>>>>>
>>>> more
>>>>
>>>>> time doing better things, creating, improving ourselves and those
>>>>>
>>>> we
>>>>
>>>>> care about.
>>>>> On the positive side of things, I see that many of us here in the
>>>>>
>>>> list
>>>>
>>>>> and, thanks to Linux for PPC (distros aside), use "old" Macs,
>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>> otherwise would be just expensive landfill.
>>>>> If we were doing what Apple expects from its customers, rushing
>>>>>
>>>> to the
>>>>
>>>>> AppleStore every time they come out with new "insanely great"
>>>>>
>>>> hardware
>>>>
>>>>> (every 6 months or so), we would be like everybody else out there
>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> the crowd.
>>>>> Fortunately, somebody has his feet on the ground!
>>>>>
>>>>> Changing topics. I was about to buy this new Dual PowerMac G5,
>>>>>
>>>> but I
>>>>
>>>>> heard that I will have to wait till early 2005 to get "Tiger" and
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> 30-inch flat monitor.I guess I'll have to settle for the 23-inch
>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> the meantime. But I'm planning to buy a tent to camp outside the
>>>>> AppleStore. The moment they announce "Tiger" and the 30-inch in
>>>>> macrumors.com, I'll be the first in the line. Oh my, I can't
>>>>>
>>>> hardly
>>>>
>>>>> wait! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2004, at 2:21 PM, Walt Pawley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/13/04 12:06 PM -0400, David Hacker wrote on Re: [OT] YDL
>>>>>>
>>>> 4.0
>>>>
>>>>>>> back to the flame war.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My flame thrower keeps running out of fuel. The high prices, you
>>>>>>
>>>> know...
>>>>
>>>>>>> The current Debian release was in December 2003 so it isn't
>>>>>>>
>>>> that much
>>>>
>>>>>>> more current than YDL 3.0.1 which was release in November 2003.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> One things that's puzzled me for a LONG time is the constant
>>>>>>
>>>> scramble to
>>>>
>>>>>> have everything be "current" all the time. Frankly, I much
>>>>>>
>>>> prefer to get
>>>>
>>>>>> things done well and leave them alone for a long time before
>>>>>>
>>>> making
>>>>
>>>>>> changes. If you have real work to get done of your own using the
>>>>>> computer(s) you're busy scrambling the OS code on, how do you
>>>>>>
>>>> get the
>>>>
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> to do it if you're constantly changing the OS and its supporting
>>>>>>
>>>> cast?
>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Walter M. Pawley <walt@wump.org>
>>>>>>
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