From tcarlson at sharedcup.com Fri Mar 4 04:05:25 2011 From: tcarlson at sharedcup.com (Thomas Carlson) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:05:25 -0700 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. Message-ID: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> I have YDL 6.1 running just fine on my PowerMac G4 quicksilver and am trying to find a HOWTO on setting up filesharing with my Mac Pro running Snow Leopard. Has anyone been successful with that? My Debian test machine can't deal with Bonjour password encryption. Also, is there a keyboard command to open the Superdrive tray without having to go to terminal to "eject"? Tom __ Thomas Carlson 2319 La Senda Santa Fe, NM 87505 505-603-5526 http://www.ifixoldmacs.com From danny at dynamical.org Fri Mar 4 05:40:17 2011 From: danny at dynamical.org (danny) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:40:17 -0800 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. In-Reply-To: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> References: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> Message-ID: <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 12:05 -0700, Thomas Carlson wrote: > I have YDL 6.1 running just fine on my PowerMac G4 quicksilver and am trying to find a HOWTO on setting up filesharing with my Mac Pro running Snow Leopard. Has anyone been successful with that? My Debian test machine can't deal with Bonjour password encryption. > There is a 6.2 version available. Regular NFS mounting works fine. On the Mac side there is a program called "MacFuse" , http://code.google.com/p/macfuse , that provides sharing into linux file systems. It works well for reading files from Linux but it has caused me disk errors in the past when writing to Linux. Your mileage may vary. > Also, is there a keyboard command to open the Superdrive tray without having to go to terminal to "eject"? > typing "eject" on the command line works. > > Tom > __ > Thomas Carlson > 2319 La Senda > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > 505-603-5526 > http://www.ifixoldmacs.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' > From tcarlson at sharedcup.com Fri Mar 4 06:21:37 2011 From: tcarlson at sharedcup.com (Thomas Carlson) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:21:37 -0700 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. In-Reply-To: <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> References: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the response. On Mar 3, 2011, at 1:40 PM, danny wrote: > On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 12:05 -0700, Thomas Carlson wrote: >> I have YDL 6.1 running just fine on my PowerMac G4 quicksilver and am trying to find a HOWTO on setting up filesharing with my Mac Pro running Snow Leopard. Has anyone been successful with that? My Debian test machine can't deal with Bonjour password encryption. >> > > There is a 6.2 version available. I find that, for some reason, YDL 6.2 doesn't play nice with my graphics card or my sound card. > > Regular NFS mounting works fine. On the Mac side there is a program > called "MacFuse" , http://code.google.com/p/macfuse , that provides > sharing into linux file systems. It works well for reading files from > Linux but it has caused me disk errors in the past when writing to > Linux. Your mileage may vary. I'll look into that. > >> Also, is there a keyboard command to open the Superdrive tray without having to go to terminal to "eject"? >> > > typing "eject" on the command line works. Well, that's what I do already. In Mac OS X, pushing the F12 button opens the tray. Is there any keyboard command like that in YDL? > >> >> Tom >> __ >> Thomas Carlson >> 2319 La Senda >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> 505-603-5526 >> http://www.ifixoldmacs.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com >> Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' >> > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' > From dcenteno at ydl.net Fri Mar 4 09:47:36 2011 From: dcenteno at ydl.net (Derick Centeno) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:47:36 -0500 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. In-Reply-To: References: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> Message-ID: <4D7036A8.5040408@ydl.net> Hi Tom! The only difference YDL has versus other Linux distros is that YDL runs on PowerPC systems. This means that you should be able to utilize keyboard commands and scripts/macros implemented elsewhere in traditional Linux window managers and environments like KDE, GNOME, e17, or your favorite windows environment. For me, you can't go wrong with XFCE. First, regarding the windows environments, make sure that yum knows where all the repositories are for acquiring whatever libraries, tools, etc those environments need. You can pick up nice information how to program yum at the YDL Board (http://yellowdog-board.com/) Regarding shortcuts in Linux you can program them yourself very easily using macro shortcuts embedded within the windows environment you use. Nautilus within e17, will behave differently from say xfce or gnome but the principles are similar. Here is a brief page discussing what to expect: http://www.dailygyan.com/2008/03/create-shortcut-and-hotkey-to-eject.html All the best... On 3/3/2011 4:21 PM, Thomas Carlson wrote: ... Is there any keyboard command like that in YDL? > >> >>> >>> Tom >>> __ >>> Thomas Carlson >>> 2319 La Senda >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>> 505-603-5526 >>> http://www.ifixoldmacs.com > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From tcarlson at sharedcup.com Fri Mar 4 23:13:02 2011 From: tcarlson at sharedcup.com (Thomas Carlson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 07:13:02 -0700 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. In-Reply-To: <4D7036A8.5040408@ydl.net> References: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> <4D7036A8.5040408@ydl.net> Message-ID: <013A8738-2043-48E0-A5DB-0E64F5ECE331@sharedcup.com> First of all, thank you for your thoughtful response. Let me explain why I am involved with these issues. I am a retired teacher and computer lab tech who worked in a Mac-centric school district who happens to have a gaggle of PowerMac G4 machines (mostly digital audios and one quicksilver), similar to those I worked with at school. They originally ran OS X Tiger, which Apple stopped supporting last year. Many school districts (cash strapped) have an abundance of older PPC machines that can't even run OS X Leopard, let alone the latest version. I would like for there to be a viable option, such as desktop Linux, that would work on these machines to enable their continued use. But it would have to install properly and not require a lot of command line work to enable file and screen sharing. Mostly, I have worked withe the PPC version of Debian. Squeeze has just come out, we are on to Wheezy. Debian seems to be where most of the ongoing development in PPC Linux seems to be happening. Problem is, on my machines, the Debian installer assigns the wrong kernel module to the system such that the sound doesn't work. Also, file and screen sharing require a lot of command line work to connect with machines running later versions of OS X because of their use of Bonjour for password encryption. This is a problem with Samba, too. To put things simply, desktop Linux would just have to work, out of the box, for it to be useful to school districts. This may very well be a big waste of time. I find that many old time Linux geeks kind of sniff at the idea of accommodating the average computer user. Hence, articles on Slashdot like this: http://linux.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/03/006250 Again, thanks for your response. Cheers, Tom __ Thomas Carlson 2319 La Senda Santa Fe, NM 87505 505-603-5526 http://www.ifixoldmacs.com On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Derick Centeno wrote: > Hi Tom! > > The only difference YDL has versus other Linux distros is that YDL runs > on PowerPC systems. This means that you should be able to utilize > keyboard commands and scripts/macros implemented elsewhere in > traditional Linux window managers and environments like KDE, GNOME, e17, > or your favorite windows environment. For me, you can't go wrong with XFCE. > > First, regarding the windows environments, make sure that yum knows > where all the repositories are for acquiring whatever libraries, tools, > etc those environments need. You can pick up nice information how to > program yum at the YDL Board (http://yellowdog-board.com/) > > Regarding shortcuts in Linux you can program them yourself very easily > using macro shortcuts embedded within the windows environment you use. > Nautilus within e17, will behave differently from say xfce or gnome but > the principles are similar. Here is a brief page discussing what to > expect: > http://www.dailygyan.com/2008/03/create-shortcut-and-hotkey-to-eject.html > > All the best... > > > On 3/3/2011 4:21 PM, Thomas Carlson wrote: > > ... Is there any keyboard command like that in YDL? >> >>> >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> __ >>>> Thomas Carlson >>>> 2319 La Senda >>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>> 505-603-5526 >>>> http://www.ifixoldmacs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com >> Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' From danny at dynamical.org Sat Mar 5 00:30:06 2011 From: danny at dynamical.org (danny) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:30:06 -0800 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. In-Reply-To: <013A8738-2043-48E0-A5DB-0E64F5ECE331@sharedcup.com> References: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> <4D7036A8.5040408@ydl.net> <013A8738-2043-48E0-A5DB-0E64F5ECE331@sharedcup.com> Message-ID: <1299252606.18719.51.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> Unfortunately, development on YDL stopped with 6.2. Others have converted to Ubuntu, saying it works right out of the box. I haven't made the leap yet but will have to soon. It is debian based and comes with a rich desktop environment. On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 07:13 -0700, Thomas Carlson wrote: > First of all, thank you for your thoughtful response. > > Let me explain why I am involved with these issues. I am a retired teacher and computer lab tech who worked in a Mac-centric school district who happens to have a gaggle of PowerMac G4 machines (mostly digital audios and one quicksilver), similar to those I worked with at school. They originally ran OS X Tiger, which Apple stopped supporting last year. Many school districts (cash strapped) have an abundance of older PPC machines that can't even run OS X Leopard, let alone the latest version. I would like for there to be a viable option, such as desktop Linux, that would work on these machines to enable their continued use. But it would have to install properly and not require a lot of command line work to enable file and screen sharing. > > Mostly, I have worked withe the PPC version of Debian. Squeeze has just come out, we are on to Wheezy. Debian seems to be where most of the ongoing development in PPC Linux seems to be happening. Problem is, on my machines, the Debian installer assigns the wrong kernel module to the system such that the sound doesn't work. Also, file and screen sharing require a lot of command line work to connect with machines running later versions of OS X because of their use of Bonjour for password encryption. This is a problem with Samba, too. To put things simply, desktop Linux would just have to work, out of the box, for it to be useful to school districts. > > This may very well be a big waste of time. I find that many old time Linux geeks kind of sniff at the idea of accommodating the average computer user. Hence, articles on Slashdot like this: > > http://linux.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/03/006250 > > Again, thanks for your response. > > Cheers, Tom > __ > Thomas Carlson > 2319 La Senda > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > 505-603-5526 > http://www.ifixoldmacs.com > > > > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Derick Centeno wrote: > > > Hi Tom! > > > > The only difference YDL has versus other Linux distros is that YDL runs > > on PowerPC systems. This means that you should be able to utilize > > keyboard commands and scripts/macros implemented elsewhere in > > traditional Linux window managers and environments like KDE, GNOME, e17, > > or your favorite windows environment. For me, you can't go wrong with XFCE. > > > > First, regarding the windows environments, make sure that yum knows > > where all the repositories are for acquiring whatever libraries, tools, > > etc those environments need. You can pick up nice information how to > > program yum at the YDL Board (http://yellowdog-board.com/) > > > > Regarding shortcuts in Linux you can program them yourself very easily > > using macro shortcuts embedded within the windows environment you use. > > Nautilus within e17, will behave differently from say xfce or gnome but > > the principles are similar. Here is a brief page discussing what to > > expect: > > http://www.dailygyan.com/2008/03/create-shortcut-and-hotkey-to-eject.html > > > > All the best... > > > > > > On 3/3/2011 4:21 PM, Thomas Carlson wrote: > > > > ... Is there any keyboard command like that in YDL? > >> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Tom > >>>> __ > >>>> Thomas Carlson > >>>> 2319 La Senda > >>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 > >>>> 505-603-5526 > >>>> http://www.ifixoldmacs.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > >> Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > >> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' > From tcarlson at sharedcup.com Sat Mar 5 01:05:32 2011 From: tcarlson at sharedcup.com (Thomas Carlson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:05:32 -0700 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. In-Reply-To: <1299252606.18719.51.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> References: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> <4D7036A8.5040408@ydl.net> <013A8738-2043-48E0-A5DB-0E64F5ECE331@sharedcup.com> <1299252606.18719.51.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> Message-ID: <317A9DA3-819F-46C4-96BD-A1049B3BCFF0@sharedcup.com> Danny: I suspected as much given the age of YDL 6.2, and it doesn't play well with the graphics or sound cards (oddly, 6.1 does) on my old machines, either. Ubuntu works "out of the box" when it works. Sound doesn't work on my PM G4 digital audios, and when I command line "eject" the superdrive opens for about 1 second and closes again. Ubuntu PPC is also not "officially" supported anymore, either. Debian is the only desktop Linux that is, as far as I know. Cheers, Tom On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:30 AM, danny wrote: > Unfortunately, development on YDL stopped with 6.2. Others have > converted to Ubuntu, saying it works right out of the box. I haven't > made the leap yet but will have to soon. It is debian based and comes > with a rich desktop environment. > > On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 07:13 -0700, Thomas Carlson wrote: >> First of all, thank you for your thoughtful response. >> >> Let me explain why I am involved with these issues. I am a retired teacher and computer lab tech who worked in a Mac-centric school district who happens to have a gaggle of PowerMac G4 machines (mostly digital audios and one quicksilver), similar to those I worked with at school. They originally ran OS X Tiger, which Apple stopped supporting last year. Many school districts (cash strapped) have an abundance of older PPC machines that can't even run OS X Leopard, let alone the latest version. I would like for there to be a viable option, such as desktop Linux, that would work on these machines to enable their continued use. But it would have to install properly and not require a lot of command line work to enable file and screen sharing. >> >> Mostly, I have worked withe the PPC version of Debian. Squeeze has just come out, we are on to Wheezy. Debian seems to be where most of the ongoing development in PPC Linux seems to be happening. Problem is, on my machines, the Debian installer assigns the wrong kernel module to the system such that the sound doesn't work. Also, file and screen sharing require a lot of command line work to connect with machines running later versions of OS X because of their use of Bonjour for password encryption. This is a problem with Samba, too. To put things simply, desktop Linux would just have to work, out of the box, for it to be useful to school districts. >> >> This may very well be a big waste of time. I find that many old time Linux geeks kind of sniff at the idea of accommodating the average computer user. Hence, articles on Slashdot like this: >> >> http://linux.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/03/006250 >> >> Again, thanks for your response. >> >> Cheers, Tom >> __ >> Thomas Carlson >> 2319 La Senda >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> 505-603-5526 >> http://www.ifixoldmacs.com >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Derick Centeno wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom! >>> >>> The only difference YDL has versus other Linux distros is that YDL runs >>> on PowerPC systems. This means that you should be able to utilize >>> keyboard commands and scripts/macros implemented elsewhere in >>> traditional Linux window managers and environments like KDE, GNOME, e17, >>> or your favorite windows environment. For me, you can't go wrong with XFCE. >>> >>> First, regarding the windows environments, make sure that yum knows >>> where all the repositories are for acquiring whatever libraries, tools, >>> etc those environments need. You can pick up nice information how to >>> program yum at the YDL Board (http://yellowdog-board.com/) >>> >>> Regarding shortcuts in Linux you can program them yourself very easily >>> using macro shortcuts embedded within the windows environment you use. >>> Nautilus within e17, will behave differently from say xfce or gnome but >>> the principles are similar. Here is a brief page discussing what to >>> expect: >>> http://www.dailygyan.com/2008/03/create-shortcut-and-hotkey-to-eject.html >>> >>> All the best... >>> >>> >>> On 3/3/2011 4:21 PM, Thomas Carlson wrote: >>> >>> ... Is there any keyboard command like that in YDL? >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> __ >>>>>> Thomas Carlson >>>>>> 2319 La Senda >>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>>>> 505-603-5526 >>>>>> http://www.ifixoldmacs.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com >>>> Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >>>> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com >>> Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >>> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com >> Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' >> > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' > From dcenteno at ydl.net Sat Mar 5 06:19:24 2011 From: dcenteno at ydl.net (Derick Centeno) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:19:24 -0500 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. In-Reply-To: <317A9DA3-819F-46C4-96BD-A1049B3BCFF0@sharedcup.com> References: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> <4D7036A8.5040408@ydl.net> <013A8738-2043-48E0-A5DB-0E64F5ECE331@sharedcup.com> <1299252606.18719.51.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> <317A9DA3-819F-46C4-96BD-A1049B3BCFF0@sharedcup.com> Message-ID: <4D71575C.4010007@ydl.net> Hi Tom! Please remember that Ubuntu is a Debian deviant, or a "off-shoot" or sub-branch of Debian. Also Debian came to support the PowerPC very, very late, almost reluctantly after Ubuntu dropped official support. If you would permit me to provide some information regarding what is going on lately with YDL, please refer to this page here: http://www.fixstars.com/en/company/press/20100720.html You'll notice that the current version of YDL 6.2.1 which allows support for modern boards. Terra Soft Solutions (TSS), you may recall was the lead developer for PowerPC systems to such a degree that that Apple only allowed TSS to resell PowerPC Macs with YDL and OS X/9 pre-installed without voiding the Apple warranty! In brief, buying from TSS was as much as add-ed value as buying from Apple itself. No other vendor could claim such a relationship. TSS was bought by Fixstars and you can read for yourself how they've continued work here: http://ydl.net/products/ydl/index.shtml Also this page may interest you regarding YDL for Nvidia CUDA: http://ydl.net/ydl_cuda/features.shtml You could further access different pages regarding hardware support, configuration, etc. on the same page. Take the time to go over the How Tos ("How to" do this or that) -- they could be helpful given your background and what you explained. On 3/4/2011 11:05 AM, Thomas Carlson wrote: > Danny: > > I suspected as much given the age of YDL 6.2, and it doesn't play well with the graphics or sound cards (oddly, 6.1 does) on my old machines, either. > > Ubuntu works "out of the box" when it works. Sound doesn't work on my PM G4 digital audios, and when I command line "eject" the superdrive opens for about 1 second and closes again. Ubuntu PPC is also not "officially" supported anymore, either. Debian is the only desktop Linux that is, as far as I know. > > Cheers, Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From tcarlson at sharedcup.com Sat Mar 5 08:03:13 2011 From: tcarlson at sharedcup.com (Thomas Carlson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:03:13 -0700 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. In-Reply-To: <4D71575C.4010007@ydl.net> References: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> <4D7036A8.5040408@ydl.net> <013A8738-2043-48E0-A5DB-0E64F5ECE331@sharedcup.com> <1299252606.18719.51.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> <317A9DA3-819F-46C4-96BD-A1049B3BCFF0@sharedcup.com> <4D71575C.4010007@ydl.net> Message-ID: Derick: Interesting reading. As far as I can tell, YDL development for PowerMacs ended in July of 2009. CUDA is for AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T. You are right, Debian PPC was a sub-branch of the original Debian and has been around only since August of 2000. YDL put out its first version 1.1 in March of 1999, beating it to the punch by a year or so. Actually, my first experience with Linux was with MkLinux which came out in 1996. I had it running on my PowerBook 1400. It only worked on NuBus Macs. Some of the NuBus Linux diehards tried to keep things going until 2006 or so. MkLinux still has its website up at... http://www.mklinux.org/index.html I think the dancing penguin with the shades is very cool. Apple soon dropped it and went on to what would become OS X. Later, of course, they dropped PPC just like Fixstars did. Oh, well. I don't mean to put anybody down. Business is business. Again, thanks for the response. Tom On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Derick Centeno wrote: > Hi Tom! > > Please remember that Ubuntu is a Debian deviant, or a "off-shoot" or > sub-branch of Debian. Also Debian came to support the PowerPC very, > very late, almost reluctantly after Ubuntu dropped official support. > > If you would permit me to provide some information regarding what is > going on lately with YDL, please refer to this page here: > > http://www.fixstars.com/en/company/press/20100720.html > > You'll notice that the current version of YDL 6.2.1 which allows support > for modern boards. Terra Soft Solutions (TSS), you may recall was the > lead developer for PowerPC systems to such a degree that that Apple only > allowed TSS to resell PowerPC Macs with YDL and OS X/9 pre-installed > without voiding the Apple warranty! In brief, buying from TSS was as > much as add-ed value as buying from Apple itself. No other vendor could > claim such a relationship. > > TSS was bought by Fixstars and you can read for yourself how they've > continued work here: > > http://ydl.net/products/ydl/index.shtml > > Also this page may interest you regarding YDL for Nvidia CUDA: > http://ydl.net/ydl_cuda/features.shtml > > You could further access different pages regarding hardware support, > configuration, etc. on the same page. Take the time to go over the How > Tos ("How to" do this or that) -- they could be helpful given your > background and what you explained. > > > On 3/4/2011 11:05 AM, Thomas Carlson wrote: >> Danny: >> >> I suspected as much given the age of YDL 6.2, and it doesn't play well with the graphics or sound cards (oddly, 6.1 does) on my old machines, either. >> >> Ubuntu works "out of the box" when it works. Sound doesn't work on my PM G4 digital audios, and when I command line "eject" the superdrive opens for about 1 second and closes again. Ubuntu PPC is also not "officially" supported anymore, either. Debian is the only desktop Linux that is, as far as I know. >> >> Cheers, Tom > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' From dcenteno at ydl.net Sat Mar 5 09:43:50 2011 From: dcenteno at ydl.net (Derick Centeno) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 19:43:50 -0500 Subject: [ydl-gen] filesharing with Snow Leopard. In-Reply-To: References: <0F6A6D7E-CC25-437F-AE9B-2CFB45DE542A@sharedcup.com> <1299184818.18719.23.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> <4D7036A8.5040408@ydl.net> <013A8738-2043-48E0-A5DB-0E64F5ECE331@sharedcup.com> <1299252606.18719.51.camel@ns1.dynamical.org> <317A9DA3-819F-46C4-96BD-A1049B3BCFF0@sharedcup.com> <4D71575C.4010007@ydl.net> Message-ID: <4D718746.9080609@ydl.net> Thanks for the correction. As regards these venerable aging machines it's pretty easy to misplace one's personal enthusiasm regarding a unique function or quality of a system's architecture as being something "anyone" should obviously appreciate in spite of the reality that there's little to no money to be made supporting such systems. As you say, "business is business". I like the dancing penguin as well! At least, Linux itself moves forward in interesting directions. The newer hardware is faster, has multi-cores and Linux has better tools to allow an interested learner to explore them with as much interest as one can bear with amazingly flexible open source tools. At least the "dance" continues..., for those willing to work through the steps! Of course, only people like ourselves would be interested in an event known as "Dancing with Linux! ;-) Derick. On 3/4/2011 6:03 PM, Thomas Carlson wrote: > Derick: > > Interesting reading. As far as I can tell, YDL development for PowerMacs ended in July of 2009. CUDA is for AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T. > > You are right, Debian PPC was a sub-branch of the original Debian and has been around only since August of 2000. YDL put out its first version 1.1 in March of 1999, beating it to the punch by a year or so. > > Actually, my first experience with Linux was with MkLinux which came out in 1996. I had it running on my PowerBook 1400. It only worked on NuBus Macs. Some of the NuBus Linux diehards tried to keep things going until 2006 or so. MkLinux still has its website up at... > > http://www.mklinux.org/index.html > > I think the dancing penguin with the shades is very cool. > > Apple soon dropped it and went on to what would become OS X. Later, of course, they dropped PPC just like Fixstars did. Oh, well. I don't mean to put anybody down. Business is business. > > Again, thanks for the response. > > Tom > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From john.swilting at wanadoo.fr Wed Mar 9 05:23:05 2011 From: john.swilting at wanadoo.fr (john.swilting at wanadoo.fr) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:23:05 +0100 Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 Message-ID: <1299615785.8326.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> hello yellowdoglinux list how to keep using linux on a PS3 with yellowdoglinux after 2012 (end of official updates) From dcenteno at ydl.net Wed Mar 9 07:17:00 2011 From: dcenteno at ydl.net (Derick Centeno) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:17:00 -0500 Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 In-Reply-To: <1299615785.8326.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1299615785.8326.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4D76AADC.8080406@ydl.net> John, that depends on what you choose to do. Sony, as you know ended the option of supporting the OtherOS option quite sometime ago. Intel, has been moving for some years to producing more multi-core based PCs, currently duo-core models are inexpensive, quad-core are considered intermediate, and hex-core models are top of the line. I've read that 12-core and higher exist and are at various stages of development. You may not realize this but IBM has integrated what they learned in building the PowerPC and the Cell into the multi-core systems which I described. In other words, the Cell is no longer the primary must have hardware system; it lost that status quite sometime ago. There are no Linux distributions actively developing either for the PowerPC or the Cell. Linux has moved on to develop for multi-core Intel and similar systems. Of course, that is merely my opinion. All the best... On 3/8/2011 3:23 PM, john.swilting at wanadoo.fr wrote: > hello yellowdoglinux list > > > how to keep using linux on a PS3 with yellowdoglinux after 2012 (end of > official updates) > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dcenteno at ydl.net Wed Mar 9 07:45:16 2011 From: dcenteno at ydl.net (Derick Centeno) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:45:16 -0500 Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum In-Reply-To: <1299615785.8326.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1299615785.8326.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4D76B17C.8000805@ydl.net> John, that depends on what you choose to do. Sony, as you know ended the option of supporting the OtherOS option quite sometime ago. Intel, has been moving for some years to producing more multi-core based PCs, currently duo-core models are inexpensive, quad-core are considered intermediate, and hex-core models are top of the line. I've read that 12-core and higher exist and are at various stages of development. You may not realize this but IBM has integrated what they learned in building the PowerPC and the Cell into the multi-core systems which I described. In other words, the Cell is no longer the primary must have hardware system; it lost that status quite sometime ago. There are no Linux distributions actively developing either for the PowerPC or the Cell. Linux has moved on to develop for multi-core Intel and similar systems. It may interest you that YDL for CUDA, runs on Intel only. See here: http://www.ydl.net/ydl_cuda/support/ Of course, that is merely my opinion. All the best... On 3/8/2011 3:23 PM, john.swilting at wanadoo.fr wrote: > hello yellowdoglinux list > > > how to keep using linux on a PS3 with yellowdoglinux after 2012 (end of > official updates) > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From atossava+ydl at cc.helsinki.fi Wed Mar 9 17:37:09 2011 From: atossava+ydl at cc.helsinki.fi (Atro Tossavainen) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:37:09 +0200 (EET) Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum Message-ID: <201103090837.p298b9s8025593@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi> > There are no Linux distributions actively developing either for the > PowerPC or the Cell. Linux has moved on to develop for multi-core Intel > and similar systems. The recently released Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 continues to be supported on IBM POWER server architectures, which are "ppc". This is of zero interest and no consequence to PowerPC workstation users, but it does invalidate the point that there would be no Linux distributions actively developing for the Power architecture. -- Atro Tossavainen (Mr.) / Working for Infinite Mho Oy in 2011 Techno-Amish & UNIX Dinosaur / +358-40-529-4071, -44-5000-600 / and beyond? who knows < URL : http : / / www . infinitemho . fi / > From ppc.addon at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 19:54:00 2011 From: ppc.addon at gmail.com (nello martuscielli) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 11:54:00 +0100 Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum In-Reply-To: <201103090837.p298b9s8025593@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi> References: <201103090837.p298b9s8025593@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Atro Tossavainen wrote: >> There are no Linux distributions actively developing either for the >> PowerPC or the Cell. ?Linux has moved on to develop for multi-core Intel >> and similar systems. > > The recently released Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 continues to be > supported on IBM POWER server architectures, which are "ppc". > > This is of zero interest and no consequence to PowerPC workstation users, > but it does invalidate the point that there would be no Linux distributions > actively developing for the Power architecture. > indeed, there are also Gentoo, CRUX PPC and Archlinux PPC. cheers, nell -- Power Mac G4 AGP 450MHz - CRUX PPC (32bit) 2.7 From dcenteno at ydl.net Thu Mar 10 02:25:29 2011 From: dcenteno at ydl.net (Derick Centeno) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 12:25:29 -0500 Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum In-Reply-To: References: <201103090837.p298b9s8025593@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <4D77B809.2070700@ydl.net> Thanks, I appreciate the correction. The question however remains in terms of the quality of PowerPC support. There is a bit of a difference between support for IBM POWER server architectures, which institutions (corporate and educational) tend to use versus consumer grade computers such as the various older Apple and other PowerPC desktop/laptop products which yet remain available on ebay or elsewhere becoming increasingly more expensive to replace when one or another of these consumer grade products break down. This situation is something I'm very familiar with by the way, and I can testify to the challenge and difficulty of an individual justifying the expense of hundreds of dollars to repair a component needed by a home-based PowerPC system one owns versus what institutions can pay or afford out of "petty cash" or other easily available funding or other sources. The economies of scale are very, very different. Between the choice of expenditures a sole individual must consider essentials such as food, or child support or other responsibilities - car/bus fare to search or find work, rent, produce r?sum?s, etc. - versus replacing an expensive component for an aging machine utilizing Linux software which no longer receives primary support (example Fedora nor Ubuntu provide primary level support for PowerPC systems). Many will switch to x86_Linux running on Intel or Cygwin or Cygwin-X (which runs within Windows 7 while recreating the Linux environment) because for the same hundreds one would spend on a PowerPC component one can acquire either a new duo- or quad-core system which incorporates IBM's advances past the PowerPC/Cell era! The independent individual when their system is broken cannot bother with the nuances of the superior architecture of the PowerPC/Cell because it is no longer a platform which they can work on instead one must face that it has become something which must be replaced if they are a student or even other professional experiencing various stages of financial stress where money is sparse. Replacement for the professional is even more important in any attempt to keep one's skill set even close to current; again in such a scenario individual's cannot choose as easily as those associated with corporations and/or academic institutions or research centers. Although I appreciate learning that Gentoo Linux (and others) are active in supporting the PowerPC the repairs I, and I'm sure others, need to make on the PowerPC one has are such that it is actually cheaper to acquire an x_86 system removing myself, and others similarly affected, from using any PowerPC Linux thereby causing in effect an ever smaller pool of PowerPC Linux users. The financial realities are such that although I'm happy to learn that at least three distributions continue to develop for the PowerPC, the finances independent individuals face, who are not connected to research or academic or corporate institutions, are forcing a greater contraction of users away from PowerPC Linux. Oddly enough support for Linux mobile systems via Android are growing, but that is a different technology platform entirely which doesn't matter to the independent individual whose system requires repairs. On 3/9/2011 5:54 AM, nello martuscielli wrote: > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Atro Tossavainen > wrote: >>> There are no Linux distributions actively developing either for the >>> PowerPC or the Cell. Linux has moved on to develop for multi-core Intel >>> and similar systems. >> >> The recently released Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 continues to be >> supported on IBM POWER server architectures, which are "ppc". >> >> This is of zero interest and no consequence to PowerPC workstation users, >> but it does invalidate the point that there would be no Linux distributions >> actively developing for the Power architecture. >> > > indeed, there are also Gentoo, CRUX PPC and Archlinux PPC. > > > cheers, > nell > -- > Power Mac G4 AGP 450MHz - CRUX PPC (32bit) 2.7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ppc.addon at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 09:56:40 2011 From: ppc.addon at gmail.com (nello martuscielli) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:56:40 +0100 Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum In-Reply-To: <4D77B809.2070700@ydl.net> References: <201103090837.p298b9s8025593@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi> <4D77B809.2070700@ydl.net> Message-ID: hallo Derick, i agree with you and i must say you did a pretty good analisys. I think there are no more chances to do business around low/mid level Power Architecture machines. Power.org consortium still is a question mark for me... But that's the crucial point... nowdays our machines are only supported from community distros based on no-profit project but _they are supported_. cheers, -- Power Mac G4 AGP 450MHz - CRUX PPC (32bit) From tcarlson at sharedcup.com Sat Mar 12 01:47:04 2011 From: tcarlson at sharedcup.com (Thomas Carlson) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:47:04 -0700 Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum In-Reply-To: <4D77B809.2070700@ydl.net> References: <201103090837.p298b9s8025593@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi> <4D77B809.2070700@ydl.net> Message-ID: <2A7FC40C-A8A1-4102-B482-E80457B0F2F1@sharedcup.com> Derick: Debian is still actively developing a desktop PPC version, the newest stable release, Squeeze, having been released just this past February. Now, it's on to Wheezy. I am at the moment installing the latest test version, just out today, on my PowerMac G4 digital audio. Hopefully, a bug in the Squeeze installer that assigned the wrong sound module to my particular machine has been fixed. True, no one is making any money off this endeavor. But, the bottom line is not the only line. Cheers, Tom On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Derick Centeno wrote: > Thanks, I appreciate the correction. > > The question however remains in terms of the quality of PowerPC support. > > There is a bit of a difference between support for IBM POWER server > architectures, which institutions (corporate and educational) tend to > use versus consumer grade computers such as the various older Apple and > other PowerPC desktop/laptop products which yet remain available on ebay > or elsewhere becoming increasingly more expensive to replace when one or > another of these consumer grade products break down. This situation is > something I'm very familiar with by the way, and I can testify to the > challenge and difficulty of an individual justifying the expense of > hundreds of dollars to repair a component needed by a home-based PowerPC > system one owns versus what institutions can pay or afford out of "petty > cash" or other easily available funding or other sources. > > The economies of scale are very, very different. > > Between the choice of expenditures a sole individual must consider > essentials such as food, or child support or other responsibilities - > car/bus fare to search or find work, rent, produce r?sum?s, etc. - > versus replacing an expensive component for an aging machine utilizing > Linux software which no longer receives primary support (example Fedora > nor Ubuntu provide primary level support for PowerPC systems). > > Many will switch to x86_Linux running on Intel or Cygwin or Cygwin-X > (which runs within Windows 7 while recreating the Linux environment) > because for the same hundreds one would spend on a PowerPC component one > can acquire either a new duo- or quad-core system which incorporates > IBM's advances past the PowerPC/Cell era! > > The independent individual when their system is broken cannot bother > with the nuances of the superior architecture of the PowerPC/Cell > because it is no longer a platform which they can work on instead one > must face that it has become something which must be replaced if they > are a student or even other professional experiencing various stages of > financial stress where money is sparse. Replacement for the > professional is even more important in any attempt to keep one's skill > set even close to current; again in such a scenario individual's cannot > choose as easily as those associated with corporations and/or academic > institutions or research centers. > > Although I appreciate learning that Gentoo Linux (and others) are active > in supporting the PowerPC the repairs I, and I'm sure others, need to > make on the PowerPC one has are such that it is actually cheaper to > acquire an x_86 system removing myself, and others similarly affected, > from using any PowerPC Linux thereby causing in effect an ever smaller > pool of PowerPC Linux users. > > The financial realities are such that although I'm happy to learn that > at least three distributions continue to develop for the PowerPC, the > finances independent individuals face, who are not connected to research > or academic or corporate institutions, are forcing a greater contraction > of users away from PowerPC Linux. > > Oddly enough support for Linux mobile systems via Android are growing, > but that is a different technology platform entirely which doesn't > matter to the independent individual whose system requires repairs. > > > > On 3/9/2011 5:54 AM, nello martuscielli wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Atro Tossavainen >> wrote: >>>> There are no Linux distributions actively developing either for the >>>> PowerPC or the Cell. Linux has moved on to develop for multi-core Intel >>>> and similar systems. >>> >>> The recently released Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 continues to be >>> supported on IBM POWER server architectures, which are "ppc". >>> >>> This is of zero interest and no consequence to PowerPC workstation users, >>> but it does invalidate the point that there would be no Linux distributions >>> actively developing for the Power architecture. >>> >> >> indeed, there are also Gentoo, CRUX PPC and Archlinux PPC. >> >> >> cheers, >> nell >> -- >> Power Mac G4 AGP 450MHz - CRUX PPC (32bit) 2.7 > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' From dcenteno at ydl.net Sat Mar 12 02:37:44 2011 From: dcenteno at ydl.net (Derick Centeno) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:37:44 -0500 Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum In-Reply-To: <2A7FC40C-A8A1-4102-B482-E80457B0F2F1@sharedcup.com> References: <201103090837.p298b9s8025593@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi> <4D77B809.2070700@ydl.net> <2A7FC40C-A8A1-4102-B482-E80457B0F2F1@sharedcup.com> Message-ID: <4D7A5DE8.6050709@ydl.net> Thanks Tom, I've always appreciated Debian. I've "lusted" after their list of packages for years; however I'm not sure that what's available for x_86 Debian is available for PowerPC Debian, or whatever they name it. I appreciate that they remain doing "active" PowerPC work. The issue for me is that I still have to consider the cost or "bottom line" problem which is very real. As I explained multi-core systems exist which already incorporate the developments which IBM utilized during the prime of the PowerPC/Cell era and they are very cheap when measured against repairs for a PowerPC system. I'm not looking at the problem from the view of "making money" as I am looking at the problem from the view of not wasting it on an aging architecture whose current and future descendants are actually Intel multi-core systems which have integrated PowerPC/Cell technologies into themselves! Again, from an individual's perspective considering the "bottom line" as well as the nature of technological development which is active, is only rational. On 3/11/2011 11:47 AM, Thomas Carlson wrote: > Derick: > > Debian is still actively developing a desktop PPC version, the newest stable release, Squeeze, having been released just this past February. Now, it's on to Wheezy. > > I am at the moment installing the latest test version, just out today, on my PowerMac G4 digital audio. Hopefully, a bug in the Squeeze installer that assigned the wrong sound module to my particular machine has been fixed. > > True, no one is making any money off this endeavor. But, the bottom line is not the only line. > > Cheers, Tom > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From tcarlson at sharedcup.com Sat Mar 12 03:01:33 2011 From: tcarlson at sharedcup.com (Thomas Carlson) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:01:33 -0700 Subject: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum In-Reply-To: <4D7A5DE8.6050709@ydl.net> References: <201103090837.p298b9s8025593@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi> <4D77B809.2070700@ydl.net> <2A7FC40C-A8A1-4102-B482-E80457B0F2F1@sharedcup.com> <4D7A5DE8.6050709@ydl.net> Message-ID: <559782A3-71C6-4BE3-AF69-4EEBE7791A88@sharedcup.com> Derick: I completely understand. I have the advantage that I am retired and have a lot of time on my hands to fool around with old Macs and see if I can get up-to-date operating systems like Linux working on them. As we talked about before, Apple has certainly moved on from PowerPC, and the upcoming version of OS X won't even include Rosetta, which enabled Intel Macs to use PPC software. It's understandable. Apple wants to sell new computers. Being a retired Special Education teacher and computer lab tech, though, I know that cash-strapped Mac-centric school districts often are not in a position to dump their old kit and buy the latest and greatest. It's sad how Apple has let them down by dropping support for the older PPC machines. Heck, even the evil Microsoft will support Windows XP until 2014. Cheers, Tom On Mar 11, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Derick Centeno wrote: > Thanks Tom, I've always appreciated Debian. I've "lusted" after their > list of packages for years; however I'm not sure that what's available > for x_86 Debian is available for PowerPC Debian, or whatever they name it. > > I appreciate that they remain doing "active" PowerPC work. The issue > for me is that I still have to consider the cost or "bottom line" > problem which is very real. As I explained multi-core systems exist > which already incorporate the developments which IBM utilized during the > prime of the PowerPC/Cell era and they are very cheap when measured > against repairs for a PowerPC system. > > I'm not looking at the problem from the view of "making money" as I am > looking at the problem from the view of not wasting it on an aging > architecture whose current and future descendants are actually Intel > multi-core systems which have integrated PowerPC/Cell technologies into > themselves! > > Again, from an individual's perspective considering the "bottom line" as > well as the nature of technological development which is active, is only > rational. > > > On 3/11/2011 11:47 AM, Thomas Carlson wrote: >> Derick: >> >> Debian is still actively developing a desktop PPC version, the newest stable release, Squeeze, having been released just this past February. Now, it's on to Wheezy. >> >> I am at the moment installing the latest test version, just out today, on my PowerMac G4 digital audio. Hopefully, a bug in the Squeeze installer that assigned the wrong sound module to my particular machine has been fixed. >> >> True, no one is making any money off this endeavor. But, the bottom line is not the only line. >> >> Cheers, Tom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com > Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com'