From mitkany at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 02:28:58 2012
From: mitkany at gmail.com (Dimitar Georgievski)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:28:58 -0500
Subject: [ydl-gen] Noisy fan on Power G5 and YDL 6.2
Message-ID: <CAHSnsob5sv+JfT1Pe7PjvASfV-HsnNRV9TadtpqYdYJghArrGg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just installed YDL on my Power G5 1.8 GHz and the fan is out of control.
It produces so much noise that after couple of minutes I have to shut down
the computer.

Is there any fix for this issue? I noticed on older posts in the forums
users have experienced similar issues in the past. From their replies it
doesn't look like there is an official fix for this issue yet.

Here is the info about my Mac

$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
clock : 1800.000000MHz
revision : 3.0 (pvr 003c 0300)

timebase : 33333333
platform : PowerMac
model : PowerMac9,1
machine : PowerMac9,1
motherboard : PowerMac9,1 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
detected as : 337 (PowerMac G5)
pmac flags : 00000000
L2 cache : 512K unified
pmac-generation : NewWorld

$ uname -a
Linux myhost 2.6.29-3.ydl61.4 #1 SMP Mon Sep 7 14:50:27 PDT 2009 ppc64
ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux

thanks,

Dimitar
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From rtdrury at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 14 04:29:43 2012
From: rtdrury at earthlink.net (Robert T. Drury)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:29:43 -0700
Subject: [ydl-gen] Noisy fan on Power G5 and YDL 6.2
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From hal.martin at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 04:46:32 2012
From: hal.martin at gmail.com (Hal Martin)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:46:32 -0500
Subject: [ydl-gen] Noisy fan on Power G5 and YDL 6.2
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He mentioned that it's a "Power G5 1.8GHz" which would be a G5 desktop, not
a PowerBook.

I don't recall if fan speed control was ever fully functional on the G5
tower. IIRC only Apple portables had power management facilities in the
kernel.

-Hal
Am 13.11.2012 14:42 schrieb "Robert T. Drury" <rtdrury at earthlink.net>:

> **
> I gained control of the fan but there was nothing really I could do with
> that except smooth out the fan start/stop, which really wasn't enough.  You
> need the fan to run as set at the factory to control the temperature, so if
> the fan is too loud, look for replacement fans that are quieter.  I'm very
> puzzled as to why Apple chose to put noisy fans in the powerbooks.
>
>
> Dimitar Georgievski wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>  I just installed YDL on my Power G5 1.8 GHz and the fan is out of
> control. It produces so much noise that after couple of minutes I have to
> shut down the computer.
>
>  Is there any fix for this issue? I noticed on older posts in the forums
> users have experienced similar issues in the past. From their replies it
> doesn't look like there is an official fix for this issue yet.
>
>  Here is the info about my Mac
>
>  $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
> processor : 0
> cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
> clock : 1800.000000MHz
> revision : 3.0 (pvr 003c 0300)
>
>  timebase : 33333333
> platform : PowerMac
> model : PowerMac9,1
> machine : PowerMac9,1
> motherboard : PowerMac9,1 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
> detected as : 337 (PowerMac G5)
> pmac flags : 00000000
> L2 cache : 512K unified
> pmac-generation : NewWorld
>
>  $ uname -a
> Linux myhost 2.6.29-3.ydl61.4 #1 SMP Mon Sep 7 14:50:27 PDT 2009 ppc64
> ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux
>
>  thanks,
>
>  Dimitar
>
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From chris at chrisurban.com  Wed Nov 14 08:03:59 2012
From: chris at chrisurban.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:03:59 -0500
Subject: [ydl-gen] Noisy fan on Power G5 and YDL 6.2
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What you're describing is the fan running at full speed - which you can
Replicate by booting the Mac into the command line and running fsck. 
There's likely a software patch that addresses this directly. 

Chris



On Nov 13, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Hal Martin <hal.martin at gmail.com> wrote:

> He mentioned that it's a "Power G5 1.8GHz" which would be a G5 desktop, not a PowerBook.
> 
> I don't recall if fan speed control was ever fully functional on the G5 tower. IIRC only Apple portables had power management facilities in the kernel.
> 
> -Hal
> 
> Am 13.11.2012 14:42 schrieb "Robert T. Drury" <rtdrury at earthlink.net>:
> I gained control of the fan but there was nothing really I could do with that except smooth out the fan start/stop, which really wasn't enough.  You need the fan to run as set at the factory to control the temperature, so if the fan is too loud, look for replacement fans that are quieter.  I'm very puzzled as to why Apple chose to put noisy fans in the powerbooks.
> 
> 
> Dimitar Georgievski wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just installed YDL on my Power G5 1.8 GHz and the fan is out of control. It produces so much noise that after couple of minutes I have to shut down the computer.
>> 
>> Is there any fix for this issue? I noticed on older posts in the forums users have experienced similar issues in the past. From their replies it doesn't look like there is an official fix for this issue yet.
>> 
>> Here is the info about my Mac
>> 
>> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo 
>> processor
>>   : 0
>> cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
>> clock : 1800.000000MHz
>> revision : 3.0 (pvr 003c 0300)
>> 
>> timebase : 33333333
>> platform : PowerMac
>> model : PowerMac9,1
>> machine : PowerMac9,1
>> motherboard
>>   : PowerMac9,1 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh 
>> detected as
>>   : 337 (PowerMac G5)
>> pmac flags
>>   : 00000000
>> L2 cache : 512K unified
>> pmac-generation : NewWorld
>> 
>> $ uname -a
>> Linux myhost 2.6.29-3.ydl61.4 #1 SMP Mon Sep 7 14:50:27 PDT 2009 ppc64 ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Dimitar
>> 
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From dcenteno at ydl.net  Wed Nov 14 17:24:10 2012
From: dcenteno at ydl.net (Derick Centeno)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:24:10 -0500
Subject: [ydl-gen] Noisy fan on Power G5 and YDL 6.2
In-Reply-To: <CAHSnsob5sv+JfT1Pe7PjvASfV-HsnNRV9TadtpqYdYJghArrGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHSnsob5sv+JfT1Pe7PjvASfV-HsnNRV9TadtpqYdYJghArrGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121114032410.417436cd@arakus>

Hi Dimitar!

As you may know YDL was originally created by Terra Soft Solutions
(TSS), which was absorbed or bought by Fixstars.  Long story short,
provided great support for all versions of YDL, which was continued by
Fixstars, for some years.  Official support for YDL ended quite some
years ago (at least 8).

You can still find however their support notes and advisories.  I'm
going to share the link addressing your particular problem.  The
difficulty you may face is that the last release for YDL for any
PowerPC system was YDL 6.2.

The "fix" created to address the fan problem was designed for YDL 4.1
which required the use of a specifically designed kernel (the link is
provided in the explanation) your problem will be - does the link still
work and does the kernel TSS produced still exist!

Unfortunately, I am not running YDL on a G5, I run YDL 6.2 from a
Powerbook.  So other than providing the link to this reference
material I cannot help you further.  Feel free however to reference
the other links and references you can find which address your G5
specific queries.

One more thing, Fixstars is not providing any support; the days when
TSS or Fixstars engineers provided suggestions or guidance on PowerPC
systems is long over.  Therefore what you can find online as reference
is all that is left.

Here is the link addressing the G5 fan resolution, Good Luck!

http://www.ydl.net/support/solutions/ydl_4.x/fan-control.shtml

Sincerely, Derick Centeno 

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:28:58 -0500
Dimitar Georgievski <mitkany at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just installed YDL on my Power G5 1.8 GHz and the fan is out of
> control. It produces so much noise that after couple of minutes I
> have to shut down the computer.
> 
> Is there any fix for this issue? I noticed on older posts in the
> forums users have experienced similar issues in the past. From their
> replies it doesn't look like there is an official fix for this issue
> yet.
> 
> Here is the info about my Mac
> 
> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
> processor : 0
> cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
> clock : 1800.000000MHz
> revision : 3.0 (pvr 003c 0300)
> 
> timebase : 33333333
> platform : PowerMac
> model : PowerMac9,1
> machine : PowerMac9,1
> motherboard : PowerMac9,1 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
> detected as : 337 (PowerMac G5)
> pmac flags : 00000000
> L2 cache : 512K unified
> pmac-generation : NewWorld
> 
> $ uname -a
> Linux myhost 2.6.29-3.ydl61.4 #1 SMP Mon Sep 7 14:50:27 PDT 2009 ppc64
> ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Dimitar

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From danny-hembree at dynamical.org  Wed Nov 14 18:09:07 2012
From: danny-hembree at dynamical.org (Danny Hembree)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:09:07 -0800
Subject: [ydl-gen] Noisy fan on Power G5 and YDL 6.2
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sysctl -w kernel.powersave-nap = 1

will quiet the fans down. You can put it in /etc/sysctl.conf to preserve
the setting across boots.

On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 12:28 -0500, Dimitar Georgievski wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I just installed YDL on my Power G5 1.8 GHz and the fan is out of
> control. It produces so much noise that after couple of minutes I have
> to shut down the computer.
> 
> 
> Is there any fix for this issue? I noticed on older posts in the
> forums users have experienced similar issues in the past. From their
> replies it doesn't look like there is an official fix for this issue
> yet.
> 
> 
> Here is the info about my Mac
> 
> 
> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo 
> processor : 0
> cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
> clock : 1800.000000MHz
> revision : 3.0 (pvr 003c 0300)
> 
> 
> timebase : 33333333
> platform : PowerMac
> model : PowerMac9,1
> machine : PowerMac9,1
> motherboard : PowerMac9,1 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh 
> detected as : 337 (PowerMac G5)
> pmac flags : 00000000
> L2 cache : 512K unified
> pmac-generation : NewWorld
> 
> 
> $ uname -a
> Linux myhost 2.6.29-3.ydl61.4 #1 SMP Mon Sep 7 14:50:27 PDT 2009 ppc64
> ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> 
> Dimitar
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From rarob at travelinglightfarm.net  Wed Nov 14 05:16:41 2012
From: rarob at travelinglightfarm.net (rarob at travelinglightfarm.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:16:41 -0500
Subject: [ydl-gen] Noisy fan on Power G5 and YDL 6.2
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When my dual 2.0 G5 tower was still alive (died w/memory controller
problem in '11) I never noticed fan problems except with the first several
G5 releases from YDL.  I had YDL6 (6.1 I *think*) on it last and it was
ok.  The initial releases when the G5 first came out had zero fan control,
and the box might have taken off given wings and wheels.

-Rob


> He mentioned that it's a "Power G5 1.8GHz" which would be a G5 desktop,
> not
> a PowerBook.
>
> I don't recall if fan speed control was ever fully functional on the G5
> tower. IIRC only Apple portables had power management facilities in the
> kernel.
>
> -Hal
> Am 13.11.2012 14:42 schrieb "Robert T. Drury" <rtdrury at earthlink.net>:
>
>> **
>> I gained control of the fan but there was nothing really I could do with
>> that except smooth out the fan start/stop, which really wasn't enough.
>> You
>> need the fan to run as set at the factory to control the temperature, so
>> if
>> the fan is too loud, look for replacement fans that are quieter.  I'm
>> very
>> puzzled as to why Apple chose to put noisy fans in the powerbooks.
>>
>>
>> Dimitar Georgievski wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>  I just installed YDL on my Power G5 1.8 GHz and the fan is out of
>> control. It produces so much noise that after couple of minutes I have
>> to
>> shut down the computer.
>>
>>  Is there any fix for this issue? I noticed on older posts in the forums
>> users have experienced similar issues in the past. From their replies it
>> doesn't look like there is an official fix for this issue yet.
>>
>>  Here is the info about my Mac
>>
>>  $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
>> processor : 0
>> cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
>> clock : 1800.000000MHz
>> revision : 3.0 (pvr 003c 0300)
>>
>>  timebase : 33333333
>> platform : PowerMac
>> model : PowerMac9,1
>> machine : PowerMac9,1
>> motherboard : PowerMac9,1 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
>> detected as : 337 (PowerMac G5)
>> pmac flags : 00000000
>> L2 cache : 512K unified
>> pmac-generation : NewWorld
>>
>>  $ uname -a
>> Linux myhost 2.6.29-3.ydl61.4 #1 SMP Mon Sep 7 14:50:27 PDT 2009 ppc64
>> ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux
>>
>>  thanks,
>>
>>  Dimitar
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
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From mitkany at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 04:17:26 2012
From: mitkany at gmail.com (Dimitar Georgievski)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:17:26 -0500
Subject: [ydl-gen] Noisy fan on Power G5 and YDL 6.2
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I tried sysctl -w kernel.powersave-nap = 1, and, unfortunately, it didn't
help.

The option with patching the kernel with an older version didn't seem worth
to me considering the potential to break other functionality of the kernel.

The problem was solved by installing Debian 6.0.6 (squeeze) for ppc64.  It
is not just that Debian resolved the fan issue , but GNOME desktop
environment works visibly better on Debian. With YDL 6.2 the transitions of
open windows, dragging them on the screen or closing them, were not smooth.

Too bad support for YDL was discontinued.  One of the reason I wanted to
try YDL was because of Y-HPC. It looks like this product was dropped as
well. Does any know what happened to it?

I've read that IBM and RedHat work together to bring Fedora, and by
extension RedHat, on PowerPPC architecture.  I just installed successfully
IBM Java 7 on my G5. Hopefully this collaboration could revive the interest
in YDL.

Thank you all for your help!

Dimitar



On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:16 PM, <rarob at travelinglightfarm.net> wrote:

> When my dual 2.0 G5 tower was still alive (died w/memory controller
> problem in '11) I never noticed fan problems except with the first several
> G5 releases from YDL.  I had YDL6 (6.1 I *think*) on it last and it was
> ok.  The initial releases when the G5 first came out had zero fan control,
> and the box might have taken off given wings and wheels.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > He mentioned that it's a "Power G5 1.8GHz" which would be a G5 desktop,
> > not
> > a PowerBook.
> >
> > I don't recall if fan speed control was ever fully functional on the G5
> > tower. IIRC only Apple portables had power management facilities in the
> > kernel.
> >
> > -Hal
> > Am 13.11.2012 14:42 schrieb "Robert T. Drury" <rtdrury at earthlink.net>:
> >
> >> **
> >> I gained control of the fan but there was nothing really I could do with
> >> that except smooth out the fan start/stop, which really wasn't enough.
> >> You
> >> need the fan to run as set at the factory to control the temperature, so
> >> if
> >> the fan is too loud, look for replacement fans that are quieter.  I'm
> >> very
> >> puzzled as to why Apple chose to put noisy fans in the powerbooks.
> >>
> >>
> >> Dimitar Georgievski wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>  I just installed YDL on my Power G5 1.8 GHz and the fan is out of
> >> control. It produces so much noise that after couple of minutes I have
> >> to
> >> shut down the computer.
> >>
> >>  Is there any fix for this issue? I noticed on older posts in the forums
> >> users have experienced similar issues in the past. From their replies it
> >> doesn't look like there is an official fix for this issue yet.
> >>
> >>  Here is the info about my Mac
> >>
> >>  $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
> >> processor : 0
> >> cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
> >> clock : 1800.000000MHz
> >> revision : 3.0 (pvr 003c 0300)
> >>
> >>  timebase : 33333333
> >> platform : PowerMac
> >> model : PowerMac9,1
> >> machine : PowerMac9,1
> >> motherboard : PowerMac9,1 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
> >> detected as : 337 (PowerMac G5)
> >> pmac flags : 00000000
> >> L2 cache : 512K unified
> >> pmac-generation : NewWorld
> >>
> >>  $ uname -a
> >> Linux myhost 2.6.29-3.ydl61.4 #1 SMP Mon Sep 7 14:50:27 PDT 2009 ppc64
> >> ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux
> >>
> >>  thanks,
> >>
> >>  Dimitar
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Unsuscribe info:
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