From CLIF at CFLYNT.COM Mon Jul 29 03:03:20 2013 From: CLIF at CFLYNT.COM (Clif Flynt) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:03:20 -0400 Subject: [ydl-gen] Historical Project Message-ID: <20130728180320.GA25720@clif.cflynt.com> Hi, I have a need to prove that some 20'th century software can run with only 20'th century software on 20'th century Apple hardware. (It's complicated and has to do with a court case.) The package I need to demonstrate was supported on Linux, but not MacOS 9. I believe that if I can install YellowDog 1.2 or Champion Server 1.2 or (possibly) ppcLinux 2000, the rest of the project will be trivial. I've found the repository at http://ftp.caliu.cat/pub1/distribucions/yellowdog/releases/champion-1.2 This site has the contents of what I believe was the install ISO, but no bootable iso image (though the instructions suggest that there was such an image). I'm working with a gray clamshell iBook (model 2453), with a 6 G drive and USB (no firewire) and New World Rom. My success to date has been extracting yaboot from the rpm file, and copying that, install/vmlinux and install/ramdisk.image.gz onto a small HFS partition on the hard drive. The yaboot.conf resembles: image = vmlinux label = install append = "ramdisk_size=64000 load_ramdisk=1" initrd = hd:10,hdramdisk.image.gz I can boot to the OpenFirmware monitor, and start yaboot with: boot hd:10,\yaboot Following that with: boot> install This gets as far as booting... And hangs. I tried copying the vmlinux and ramdisk-text.image.gz from the YellowDog 2.0 distribution, and these tools will boot, but I can't install from the 1.2 CDROM (the installation scripts are looking for Pomona.) Would someone have a clue? Or better yet, an old copy of the Champion install ISO? For background, I'm not a strong Mac guy, but I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80s. and Linux since the mid-1990s. Thanks, Clif -- ... Clif Flynt ... http://www.cwflynt.com ... clif at cflynt.com ... .. 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From ppc.addon at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 10:55:53 2013 From: ppc.addon at gmail.com (nello martuscielli) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 03:55:53 +0200 Subject: [ydl-gen] Historical Project In-Reply-To: <20130728180320.GA25720@clif.cflynt.com> References: <20130728180320.GA25720@clif.cflynt.com> Message-ID: as i know, Champion was an IBM server with 604 cpu therefore you cannot use that bootkernel. -- my blog: http://linuxpowerpc.blogspot.com/ -- Power Mac G4 AGP 450MHz - CRUX PPC (32bit) From CLIF at CFLYNT.COM Mon Jul 29 11:29:35 2013 From: CLIF at CFLYNT.COM (Clif Flynt) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:29:35 -0400 Subject: [ydl-gen] Historical Project References: <20130728180320.GA25720@clif.cflynt.com> Message-ID: <20130729022935.GA29076@clif.cflynt.com> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 03:55:53AM +0200, nello martuscielli wrote: > as i know, Champion was an IBM server with 604 cpu therefore you > cannot use that bootkernel. Thanks. That explains why I could almost boot the YellowDog 2.0 kernel with yaboot, but the Champion 1.2 kernel just froze. Do you know if the binaries in the Champion RPMs were also compiled for an incompatible CPU? The project requires getting X11 and gcc to run, but not much else. Thanks, Clif -- ... Clif Flynt ... http://www.cwflynt.com ... clif at cflynt.com ... .. Tcl/Tk: A Developer's Guide (3'd edition) - Morgan Kauffman .. .20'th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference: Sep 23-27 New Orleans, LA, USA. ............. http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2013/ ............ From coolguy.lentz at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 12:59:28 2013 From: coolguy.lentz at gmail.com (William Lentz) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:59:28 -0500 Subject: [ydl-gen] Historical Project In-Reply-To: <20130728180320.GA25720@clif.cflynt.com> References: <20130728180320.GA25720@clif.cflynt.com> Message-ID: <056e01ce8c10$06d104d0$14730e70$@gmail.com> I honestly don't think this disto is active anymore, or at least the mailing list Is not active. I don't develop for YDL or anything, I came here looking for help when I had a old powermac that I wanted to "JailBreak" with a linux distro, lets just say now its parted out so bad I don't know if I can ever get it back going without having a half of another model of it to spare. -----Original Message----- From: yellowdog-general-bounces at lists.fixstars.com [mailto:yellowdog-general-bounces at lists.fixstars.com] On Behalf Of Clif Flynt Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:03 PM To: yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com Subject: [ydl-gen] Historical Project Hi, I have a need to prove that some 20'th century software can run with only 20'th century software on 20'th century Apple hardware. (It's complicated and has to do with a court case.) The package I need to demonstrate was supported on Linux, but not MacOS 9. I believe that if I can install YellowDog 1.2 or Champion Server 1.2 or (possibly) ppcLinux 2000, the rest of the project will be trivial. I've found the repository at http://ftp.caliu.cat/pub1/distribucions/yellowdog/releases/champion-1.2 This site has the contents of what I believe was the install ISO, but no bootable iso image (though the instructions suggest that there was such an image). I'm working with a gray clamshell iBook (model 2453), with a 6 G drive and USB (no firewire) and New World Rom. My success to date has been extracting yaboot from the rpm file, and copying that, install/vmlinux and install/ramdisk.image.gz onto a small HFS partition on the hard drive. The yaboot.conf resembles: image = vmlinux label = install append = "ramdisk_size=64000 load_ramdisk=1" initrd = hd:10,hdramdisk.image.gz I can boot to the OpenFirmware monitor, and start yaboot with: boot hd:10,\yaboot Following that with: boot> install This gets as far as booting... And hangs. I tried copying the vmlinux and ramdisk-text.image.gz from the YellowDog 2.0 distribution, and these tools will boot, but I can't install from the 1.2 CDROM (the installation scripts are looking for Pomona.) Would someone have a clue? Or better yet, an old copy of the Champion install ISO? For background, I'm not a strong Mac guy, but I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80s. and Linux since the mid-1990s. Thanks, Clif -- ... Clif Flynt ... http://www.cwflynt.com ... clif at cflynt.com ... .. Tcl/Tk: A Developer's Guide (3'd edition) - Morgan Kauffman .. .20'th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference: Sep 23-27 New Orleans, LA, USA. ............. http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2013/ ............ _______________________________________________ yellowdog-general mailing list - yellowdog-general at lists.fixstars.com Unsuscribe info: http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:us.fixstars.com' From ppc.addon at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 21:14:52 2013 From: ppc.addon at gmail.com (nello martuscielli) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:14:52 +0200 Subject: [ydl-gen] Historical Project In-Reply-To: <20130729022935.GA29076@clif.cflynt.com> References: <20130728180320.GA25720@clif.cflynt.com> <20130729022935.GA29076@clif.cflynt.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Clif Flynt wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 03:55:53AM +0200, nello martuscielli wrote: >> as i know, Champion was an IBM server with 604 cpu therefore you >> cannot use that bootkernel. > > Thanks. That explains why I could almost boot the YellowDog 2.0 > kernel with yaboot, but the Champion 1.2 kernel just froze. > > Do you know if the binaries in the Champion RPMs were also > compiled for an incompatible CPU? > i guess they are widely PowerPC compatible > The project requires getting X11 and gcc to run, but not much > else. > as you have small needs you could try an old release of CRUX PPC as it already provide gcc and x11 stuff. regards, Nello -- my blog: http://linuxpowerpc.blogspot.com