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7. rpm overview (Tomas Groth)
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:41:25 -0400
From: Grant <gfl1@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: yellowdog-newbie digest, Vol 1 #576 - 10 msgs
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katherine wrote:
> Yes, and I type install and hit return, and instead of sending me to
> the graphical installer, at the very end (after a whole bunch of
> messages about my video chipset [rage 128], imac display, 2 button usb
> mouse, and apple keyboard) I get a message about the X system failing
> to load and I'm kicked to the text based installer.
>
Yep, happens all the time. actually, aside from ugliness, its clearer
than the graphical installer.
This is nto a finished product, regardless of TSS's opinion.
Grant
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:39:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bradley Martin <novacrook@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: IOError 5?!?!? (or the return of 'PLEASE HELP!!!')
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
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Chaz McGarvey <chaz@brokenzipper.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 11:41 PM, Bradley Martin wrote:
> Still trying to put YDL3 on my B+W G3 350 w/ a Seagate 80GB drive. As
> long as I only have the Seagate drive in there, it (the drive) seems
> to work fine (I assume this has something to do with me not having the
> correct jumper settings...no big deal, i don't need the extra 6gb from
> the old drive anyway).
>
> My problem is this, though: everytime I try to install YDL, with the
> exception of when I do a bare minimum install (linux in text mode and
> nothing else at all) the installer stalls somewhere on the second disc
> (generally at SDL_Mixer...or something else instead if I try
> deselecting that). A quick opt-command-F5 (or F4 or whatever, i
> forget) to another screen and I get the message "IOError 5" and
> something about it not being able to keep writing to the drive. All 80
> gigs are free so it can't be running out of room; and it's not the
> drive itself b/c I got the same message when I was trying to install
> to the 6 GB factory drive.
>
> Ideas, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?!?!? I'm trying to get that computer up
> and running before school starts so that I'll have something to use at
> home...
Did you buy the CDs or did you burn the ISOs? It could be a problem
reading files off the CD (or at least I think it could since I don't
know what the error codes mean either). If you have access to another
copy, it probably wouldn't hurt to give it a try. If you burned your
own CDs from the downloadable ISOs, then you need to burn the image
before mounting it or the checksum will be screwed up (or something
like that).
I'm pulling this information from an install incident that happened to
me a while ago so I'm not sure if it's relevant for the current times
and I certainly don't remember the error codes I got. Other than that,
the discs aren't scratched, are they? :l
I burned the CDs from the ISOs off YDL's FTP; I tried burning Disc 2 (the one that stalls) a second again, but the same thing happens.
I don't quite understand what you mean by "burning the image before mounting".
Thanks...
<i am not bradley martin>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Chaz McGarvey <chaz@brokenzipper.com></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; WIDTH: 100%">
<P><BR>On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 11:41 PM, Bradley Martin wrote:<BR><BR>> Still trying to put YDL3 on my B+W G3 350 w/ a Seagate 80GB drive. As <BR>> long as I only have the Seagate drive in there, it (the drive) seems <BR>> to work fine (I assume this has something to do with me not having the <BR>> correct jumper settings...no big deal, i don't need the extra 6gb from <BR>> the old drive anyway).<BR>> <BR>> My problem is this, though: everytime I try to install YDL, with the <BR>> exception of when I do a bare minimum install (linux in text mode and <BR>> nothing else at all) the installer stalls somewhere on the second disc <BR>> (generally at SDL_Mixer...or something else instead if I try <BR>> deselecting that). A quick opt-command-F5 (or F4 or whatever, i <BR>> forget) to another screen and I get the message "IOError 5" and <BR>> something about it not being able to keep writing to the drive. All 80 <BR>> gigs are free
so it can't be running out of room; and it's not the <BR>> drive itself b/c I got the same message when I was trying to install <BR>> to the 6 GB factory drive.<BR>> <BR>> Ideas, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?!?!? I'm trying to get that computer up <BR>> and running before school starts so that I'll have something to use at <BR>> home...<BR><BR>Did you buy the CDs or did you burn the ISOs? It could be a problem <BR>reading files off the CD (or at least I think it could since I don't <BR>know what the error codes mean either). If you have access to another <BR>copy, it probably wouldn't hurt to give it a try. If you burned your <BR>own CDs from the downloadable ISOs, then you need to burn the image <BR>before mounting it or the checksum will be screwed up (or something <BR>like that).<BR><BR>I'm pulling this information from an install incident that happened to <BR>me a while ago so I'm not sure if it's relevant for the current times <BR>and I certainly don't remember
the error codes I got. Other than that, <BR>the discs aren't scratched, are they? :l</P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<P> </P>
<P>I burned the CDs from the ISOs off YDL's FTP; I tried burning Disc 2 (the one that stalls) a second again, but the same thing happens.</P>
<P>I don't quite understand what you mean by "burning the image before mounting".</P>
<P>Thanks...</P><BR><BR><i am not bradley martin><p><hr SIZE=1>
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:44:07 -0600
Subject: Re: IOError 5?!?!? (or the return of 'PLEASE HELP!!!')
From: Chaz McGarvey <chaz@brokenzipper.com>
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 07:39 PM, Bradley Martin wrote:
> I burned the CDs from the ISOs off YDL's FTP; I tried burning Disc 2
> (the one that stalls) a second again, but the same thing happens.
>
> I don't quite understand what you mean by "burning the image before
> mounting".
>
> Thanks...
It may or may not have anything to do with your problem, but one time I
downloaded a YDL ISO (when it was only one image) and mounted it (as in
double click on the image file in the Finder and it will appear as a
mounted disc) before I burned the image. I learned later when I was
having problems installing that when you do this, the image checksum
can get screwed up somehow and I had to download the ISO again because
it burned bad discs afterward.
Your situation just reminded be of this incident, though I don't
remember the exact errors I got, so I thought I would just check and
make sure you didn't do this. To be a little more specific about the
problem, I think the Mac OS software I used to mount the image changed
some of the filenames to be short enough for Mac OS (32 characters, is
it?...), so some of the files on the disc couldn't be found.
Good luck,
Chaz
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:08:30 -0700
From: Richard Sperling <rsperling@mac.com>
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Subject: Can't get networking running
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
I'm brand new to YDL 3.0 and Macs. I just got a 12" G4 Powerbook. It has an airport extreme card. YDL says they don't support it. So how do I get my wireless connection up and running? I'm very frustrated at this point. I'm trying to connect to the Internet through a Linksys router. Everything works fine when running OS X 10.2.6 on the laptop, so there's nothing wrong with the hardware. Assistance is greatly appreciated. Please let me know if you want more information.
Thanks.
Rich
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:16:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Norberto Quintanar <nquintanar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Grrr: etc. (formatting)
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/installation/ydl3.0_guide-single.pdf
html version from google
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:VeaPlypEyGkJ:www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/installation/ydl3.0_guide-double.pdf+%22A+Companion+to+installing+Yellow+Dog+Linux+3.0%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
reference the above file
I don't see how this is so difficult. I went to the website above
and read "A companion to installing YDL 3.0" Now, I only have a
minor in English, my "real" degrees lie in Chemistry. But clearly on
page 2 it says, "single drive with YDL no Mac OS present." See ,"
Choosing the correct bootloader on the next page." One flips the
page and voila, it tells you to pick between old world and new world,
go to next page - page 4 if you're keeping track :) And it states in
clear and concise english:
1. Install YDL install disk #1
2. Restart your "pooter."
3. Hold down the "C" key while it reboots
4. At the boot prompt hit return for GUI install or type install-text
Good luck installing! You have the whole weekend!
--- Grant <gfl1@optonline.net> wrote:
> This is getting confusing for all. let's start from scratch.
>
> You have 2 choices:
>
> 1. have YDL only on the mac
> 2. have YDL plus the macOS of your choice
>
> If you want both YDL and MacOS, you need to create two partitons,
> with
> drive setup or drive utility (either will work). One must be macOS
>
> extended (for OS9 or 10). The other must be formatted as "free
> space"
> - an option in apple's partiton/format utility.
>
> If you want only YDL, then you format the whole thing as "free
> space" -
> its now a useless mac, but fine for YDL.
>
> Next you need to run the installer from YDL disk #1. Boot from the
> CD
> by holding the "C" key. The installer will then ask you about
> auto-partitioning ----- BUT! within the "free space" you created.
> So
> far, I'm reading that you didnt do that.
>
> Yep, its pretty flaky for a consumer release. But it will work on
> an
> iMAC (dont try this on a 12" powerbook though :-( )
>
> Grant
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Norberto Quintanar <nquintanar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Can't get networking running
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
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At the expense of appearing like an A-hole. Do a google search for
the following terms:
powerbook airport extreme card linux
and you will discover why your wireless card isn't supported. Once
you've read it. You will find a link to a petition. Go ahead it's
okay, sign it.
google.com better than the library!
--- Richard Sperling <rsperling@mac.com> wrote:
> I'm brand new to YDL 3.0 and Macs. I just got a 12" G4 Powerbook.
> It has an airport extreme card. YDL says they don't support it. So
> how do I get my wireless connection up and running? I'm very
> frustrated at this point. I'm trying to connect to the Internet
> through a Linksys router. Everything works fine when running OS X
> 10.2.6 on the laptop, so there's nothing wrong with the hardware.
> Assistance is greatly appreciated. Please let me know if you want
> more information.
>
> Thanks.
> Rich
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From: "Tomas Groth" <tomasgroth@hotmail.com>
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Subject: rpm overview
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 12:05:50 +0200
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Hi,
I just installed yellowdog on a G3 iBook, and it's all running fine. But
since the harddisk is quite small I would like to know what is installed. I
miss a program that can give me a list/overview of my installed programs.
Does there exist a GUI to apt? Or is there other alternatives?
Best regards,
Tomas
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:29:16 +0200
Subject: Anaconda Installer crashes: Can't format
From: Thomas Kaddatz <tommac@web.de>
To: <yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com>
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
My HD-Partitions:
1. 8 GB HFS+ (for Mac OS X)
2. 15 GB HFS (for OS 9)
3. 16 GB Unallocated (for YDL)
My machine:
G3 233 DT
Installer runs through, but after the package selection, when it starts to
write the data to the disc it crashes: "Formatting failure".
The curios thing: The first time, I tried to install YDL, everything went
very well, untill I inserted the third disk, after the the first disk, not
the second one. So I aboted it manually, and from there, I always had the
same problem!!!
I have a dual display, one with the orig. ATI, and a second with a Voodoo 3
2000. But this should not be the problem.
In the meantime, I formatted my disk 2 times with zero data, but the
installer doesn't work anymore.
Please help!!!
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:54:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Install freezes
From: Chris Turkel <zizban@adelphia.net>
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No luck. It still freezes. When/how do I type Ispci -v?
On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 02:55 PM, Norberto Quintanar wrote:
> You could try runnning the installer with the 'nousb' option and see
> if it helps?
>
> What does "lspci -v" show?
>
> --- Chris Turkel <zizban@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> High all!
>>
>> I downloaded and burned the YDL install CD. When booting from it,
>> everything goes okay until it gets to "running /sbin/loader" then
>> it
>> freezes. It does this with install-safe as well. Help!
>>
>> I am running a Dual 1 Ghz G4 with a Radeon graphics card.
>> ---
>> "Do I contradict myself? Very well, I contradict myself (I am
>> large, I
>> contain multitudes)."--Walt Whitman
>>
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No luck. It still freezes. When/how do I type Ispci -v?
On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 02:55 PM, Norberto Quintanar wrote:
<excerpt>You could try runnning the installer with the 'nousb' option
and see
if it helps?
What does "lspci -v" show?
--- Chris Turkel <<zizban@adelphia.net> wrote:
<excerpt>High all!
I downloaded and burned the YDL install CD. When booting from it,
everything goes okay until it gets to "running /sbin/loader" then
it
freezes. It does this with install-safe as well. Help!
I am running a Dual 1 Ghz G4 with a Radeon graphics card.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:53:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Can't get networking running
From: Mike Murphree <mike@tropo.org>
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 01:35 AM, Norberto Quintanar wrote:
> At the expense of appearing like an A-hole. Do a google search for
> the following terms:
>
> powerbook=A0 airport=A0 extreme=A0 card=A0 linux=A0
>
> and you will discover why your wireless card isn't supported. Once
> you've read it. You will find a link to a petition. Go ahead it's
> okay, sign it.
>
> google.com better than the library!
Possibly but you need to wade through a lot of crap to get there,
here's a decent link:
https://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~schmidtm/apple/powerbook.en.php
Mike
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:59:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Can't get networking running
From: Richard Sperling <rsperling@mac.com>
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 08:53 AM, Mike Murphree wrote:
> mike@tropo.org
Thanks. What a drag!
Rich
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Message: 2
From: <devilc@cox.net>
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Subject: Re: Re: Reply:Grrrr. How do I get this installed?
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:59:05 -0400
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> Well there's your answer. You paid for it, you get to use their tech
> support.
No. that's only if you pay $85. I only paid $60. That's manual, sticker,
6 disks, and NO tech-support.
What was I going to need tech support for? I had the manual and could
refer back to it for the things that weren't obvious. (hearty har har.)
As for returning it? Not likely. I broke the seal on the software.
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Message: 3
From: <devilc@cox.net>
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Subject: Re: Grrr: etc. (formatting)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:11:21 -0400
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
I want YDL only on the iMac
> If you want only YDL, then you format the whole thing as "free space"
Yes, but HOW?!!!!
I have just taken a guess and have told the OS X disk utility to format the
file as Unix file system.
The manual said to use HFS, and somebody else on list said to choose
"undefined", but that's not an option. I have these choices:
Mac OS standard (HFS)
Mac OS Extended (HFS +)
MS Dos
Unix file system
-
> its now a useless mac, but fine for YDL.
Well, it was old enough to be molasses slow under OS X, and I have no
classic disks. (Besides, classic OS is crappy.)
>
> Next you need to run the installer from YDL disk #1. Boot from the
CD
> by holding the "C" key. The installer will then ask you about
> auto-partitioning ----- BUT! within the "free space" you created. So
> far, I'm reading that you didnt do that.
Because nobody has explained to me clearly HOW to do that. The
manual sure doesn't. The help menus in the text installer sure don't.
They say to join this list.
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Message: 4
From: <devilc@cox.net>
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Subject: Re: Re: Grrr: etc. (formatting)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:18:11 -0400
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
And it states in
> clear and concise english:
> 1. Install YDL install disk #1
> 2. Restart your "pooter."
> 3. Hold down the "C" key while it reboots
> 4. At the boot prompt hit return for GUI install or type install-text
Guess what? That's the FIRST thing I tried. And the SECOND, and the
THIRD.
Guess what? It didn't work.
(Like I said, I RTFM before starting.)
Then I thought well, maybe they mean, go and format the whole thing in
HFS and then do that, because of the way the instructions are written
one can also logically infer that oh, maybe they meant they wanted you
to follow the dual-boot instructions up to a certain point and *then*
switch to the single boot instructions.
-Katherine-
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:26:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Norberto Quintanar <nquintanar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Can't get networking running
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
--- Mike Murphree <mike@tropo.org> wrote:
> Possibly but you need to wade through a lot of crap to get there,
> here's a decent link:
What's wrong with readin' a bunch of information so you can learn
Linux? There are so many people out there with knowledge to share;
some bunk, some great. Yes, even crap. But, it won't hurt you.
People have clung to M$ because it takes the thinking out of using a
computer. Linux is a community of people sharing information to make
the experience a lot better. You just have to come to the table
prepared. That's all anyone would ask....
=====
--Norberto Quintanar
"You belong to something bigger. From birth. And your life is spent rediscovering the underlying principles, through various players -- coaches, mentors, teachers, spouses, kids. It's in your genes. Your responsibility. Destiny. Is all on you. Lead, follow, or get out of the way."
--Norberto Quintanar
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