yellowdog-newbie digest, Vol 1 #955 - Message 2: Gentoo too new
Mdean
yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:35:01 -0700
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Your reference to King Lear is enlighhtening and places your educational
level as well. I have a Ph.D. in statistics, 20 years experience in IT,
including both IBM and CDC mainframes, program in FORTRAN, C/C++ and
various script languages such as PHP, 9 years experience with Linux, and
15 years experience loading various OS, including Apple DOS, BEOS, OS2,
CP/M, MS-DOS, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, RedHat (2-9), Mandrake, Rover etc. I
have just finished a project integrating R with Postgresql.
We have been running several dual CPU web servers via ADSL since last
August on various snapshots of Linux 2.6 (upgrading as it stabilized) ,
behind an OPenBSD firewall, using Gentoo modified as I want it,
including adapting the SE linux module, the XFS filing system from SGI,
Apache 2, etc. 0 downtime, 0 break-ins or exploits, 0 hasstle, 0
problems. The installation work was done in a few hours by a very sharp
DeVry student working under my direction from my wish list. We have
webmin up and running under ssh, a vpn between two locations, and load
balancing. We (seperately) easily downloaded the core Gentoo, produced
an ISO, which booted up on several computers without incident and
continued the process via Portage.
In contrast, I bought Yellow Dog commercial system, followed the
instructions exactly and I was not able to load on any Apple computer.
I have several G3's, lots of old powermacs, etc. I tried several of
these. As a result of my failure and what the rest of you guys
obviously find so easy, I am recommending to a nonprofit where I serve
on their board, with lots of powerbooks, not to migrate to YellowDog,
which unfortunately I find "NRFPT". I am also making note of this
caveat in my upcoming book. As for the Apple hardware, I am scrapping
those systems as junk.
With regard to Robbins quitting, I am positive he had ethical reasons
for the separation, perhaps family needs. I met and talked with him at
length in the last two Linuxworld San Francisco exhibits, and his
attitude of pleasing his customer base while producing an enthusiastic
project community is not only commendable but a testimony to what can be
accomplished with the correct ethical stance. An example of Robbins
stature in the Open Source Community was his insistence on sensible
theoretical adherence to Best Practices such as GenToo's remaining a
multiple platform distro, serving even obtuse architectures such a IBM's
PPC, so that small companies with heterogeneous computers from Apple
and Dell and IBM could all do the same things in the same way.
Being customer centric is not at odds with a project orientation, as was
explicitly stated as YD's excuse for their end user attitude. Why do
you think Robbins was able to build a hard working community of 200+
programmers, and Gentoo is one of the fastest growing distros out
there? Because he truly cared -- for the users, for the developers, and
for the Open Source Movement. And that is why I am writing my book on
Transforming Small Businesses Through Open Source Best Practices, for
the benefit of the open source movement. My book will not pull any
punches -- it truly will indicate just where Best Practices originate,
and where they don't. Finally, based on Gentoo's taking the next step a
nonprofit must take, from being a loose confederation relying heavily on
the founder, to a formal nonprofit means Gentoo will be around long
after Redhat is amalgamated into an Eclipse add-on.. Regarding YD, who
knows? Once they begin to understand the tremendous need for a multiple
platform distro, and become customer centric, not organization centric,
the sky is the limit! But I will place the YD 3.01 CD's on top of my
two foot pile of Linux distros tried and rejected.
JM40CW
Derick Centeno wrote:
>On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 16:45,
>yellowdog-newbie-request@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com wrote:
>
>
>>--__--__--
>>
>>Message: 2
>>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:58:15 -0700
>>From: Mdean <mdean@sourceview.com>
>>To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>>Subject: Re: Bastille linux and Red Hat equivalent to YDL
>>Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>>
>>My best advice is to switch to gentoo PPC so you can avail yourself of
>>the latest and greatest security stuff. Why try and make an old dog do
>>work?
>>
>>
>
>Hi Dean:
>I was going to cross swords with you but I found another way. I'll let
>someone else do it -- a pro. You'll notice what has been said by this
>individual matches elsewhere what I've said about Gentoo.
>
>Enjoy:
>http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/11854/index.html
>
>And the FOUNDER OF GENTOO QUITS!:
>http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;332536329;fp;2;fpid;1
>
>As I reported earlier on this list... the strength of Red Hat and the
>manner in which Terra Soft brings to the Mac PPC environment is
>consistency and reliability. This is NOT easy to do and Terra Soft
>deserves much praise in maintaining this standard while also tolerating
>the variety of malcontents that most people tend to be.
>
>And then -- deannooo -- there is you. You like the leading and bleeding
>edge, well Gentoo is more than ready for you just like a cracked surfer
>board shaking apart while riding a strong wave with sharks along either
>side looking at their food, which given the temperment and insults
>you've expressed, might just be you!
>
>As for me, I'm staying with Terra Soft... I've been with them since
>Champion Server and have benefited from conversing with and
>communicating via email with Kai and others and even though I have been
>myself difficult -- I have never shown anything but respect and
>appreciation for their hard work and their accomplishments in how they
>have served me and this country.
>
>Given what you've written -- deannooo, gee kinda rhymes with dunnno --
>you ought to be really careful because you are the kind of person right
>now, that some people won't miss AND some others may even applaud your
>disappearance. You had better change that attitude while you can.
>Hopefully that will be soon. Everyone in their youth is allowed to be
>-- well just the way you are now -- for a certain amount of time.
>
>Don't wait too long or you may find the effects of what your mouth has
>spoken and the words you have written come back at you with as little
>concern as when you turned them loose on others -- as we here are all
>witnesses. This universe has strange and terrible paybacks, Dean. Wise
>up and get prepared to change now while the payback is yet small.
>
>Did you graduate high school? You never studied the play, King Lear by
>Shakespeare? There is a very critical and sad line spoken by the court
>jester, whose official title was Fool. The words were spoken by this
>Fool to King Lear after everything that mattered to him - his titles,
>his kingdom, his home, was stolen from him by the one person he loved
>most because -- well study the play and learn for yourself. The words
>spoken by the Fool to the King after such loss was, "Thou shouldst not
>have become old, until thou hadst become wise."
>
>I hope, Dean, you have the chance to become wise, before your current
>brusqueness and carelessness entraps you and it is too late.
>Best wishes...
>
>
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Your reference to King Lear is enlighhtening and places your
educational level as well. I have a Ph.D. in statistics, 20 years
experience in IT, including both IBM and CDC mainframes, program in
FORTRAN, C/C++ and various script languages such as PHP, 9 years
experience with Linux, and 15 years experience loading various OS,
including Apple DOS, BEOS, OS2, CP/M, MS-DOS, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, RedHat
(2-9), Mandrake, Rover etc. I have just finished a project integrating
R with Postgresql. <br>
<br>
We have been running several dual CPU web servers via ADSL since last
August on various snapshots of Linux 2.6 (upgrading as it stabilized) ,
behind an OPenBSD firewall, using Gentoo modified as I want it,
including adapting the SE linux module, the XFS filing system from
SGI, Apache 2, etc. 0 downtime, 0 break-ins or exploits, 0 hasstle, 0
problems. The installation work was done in a few hours by a very sharp
DeVry student working under my direction from my wish list. We have
webmin up and running under ssh, a vpn between two locations, and load
balancing. We (seperately) easily downloaded the core Gentoo, produced
an ISO, which booted up on several computers without incident and
continued the process via Portage. <br>
<br>
In contrast, I bought Yellow Dog commercial system, followed the
instructions exactly and I was not able to load on any Apple
computer. I have several G3's, lots of old powermacs, etc. I tried
several of these. As a result of my failure and what the rest of you
guys obviously find so easy, I am recommending to a nonprofit where I
serve on their board, with lots of powerbooks, not to migrate to
YellowDog, which unfortunately I find "NRFPT". I am also making note
of this caveat in my upcoming book. As for the Apple hardware, I am
scrapping those systems as junk.<br>
<br>
With regard to Robbins quitting, I am positive he had ethical reasons
for the separation, perhaps family needs. I met and talked with him at
length in the last two Linuxworld San Francisco exhibits, and his
attitude of pleasing his customer base while producing an enthusiastic
project community is not only commendable but a testimony to what can
be accomplished with the correct ethical stance. An example of Robbins
stature in the Open Source Community was his insistence on sensible
theoretical adherence to Best Practices such as GenToo's remaining a
multiple platform distro, serving even obtuse architectures such a
IBM's PPC, so that small companies with heterogeneous computers from
Apple and Dell and IBM could all do the same things in the same way. <br>
<br>
Being customer centric is not at odds with a project orientation, as
was explicitly stated as YD's excuse for their end user attitude. Why
do you think Robbins was able to build a hard working community of 200+
programmers, and Gentoo is one of the fastest growing distros out
there? Because he truly cared -- for the users, for the developers,
and for the Open Source Movement. And that is why I am writing my book
on Transforming Small Businesses Through Open Source Best Practices,
for the benefit of the open source movement. My book will not pull any
punches -- it truly will indicate just where Best Practices originate,
and where they don't. Finally, based on Gentoo's taking the next step
a nonprofit must take, from being a loose confederation relying heavily
on the founder, to a formal nonprofit means Gentoo will be around long
after Redhat is amalgamated into an Eclipse add-on.. Regarding YD, who
knows? Once they begin to understand the tremendous need for a
multiple platform distro, and become customer centric, not organization
centric, the sky is the limit! But I will place the YD 3.01 CD's on
top of my two foot pile of Linux distros tried and rejected.<br>
JM40CW<br>
<br>
Derick Centeno wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 16:45,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yellowdog-newbie-request@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com">yellowdog-newbie-request@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com</a> wrote:
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:58:15 -0700
From: Mdean <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mdean@sourceview.com"><mdean@sourceview.com></a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com">yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com</a>
Subject: Re: Bastille linux and Red Hat equivalent to YDL
Reply-To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com">yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com</a>
My best advice is to switch to gentoo PPC so you can avail yourself of
the latest and greatest security stuff. Why try and make an old dog do
work?
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Hi Dean:
I was going to cross swords with you but I found another way. I'll let
someone else do it -- a pro. You'll notice what has been said by this
individual matches elsewhere what I've said about Gentoo.
Enjoy:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/11854/index.html">http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/11854/index.html</a>
And the FOUNDER OF GENTOO QUITS!:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;332536329;fp;2;fpid;1">http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;332536329;fp;2;fpid;1</a>
As I reported earlier on this list... the strength of Red Hat and the
manner in which Terra Soft brings to the Mac PPC environment is
consistency and reliability. This is NOT easy to do and Terra Soft
deserves much praise in maintaining this standard while also tolerating
the variety of malcontents that most people tend to be.
And then -- deannooo -- there is you. You like the leading and bleeding
edge, well Gentoo is more than ready for you just like a cracked surfer
board shaking apart while riding a strong wave with sharks along either
side looking at their food, which given the temperment and insults
you've expressed, might just be you!
As for me, I'm staying with Terra Soft... I've been with them since
Champion Server and have benefited from conversing with and
communicating via email with Kai and others and even though I have been
myself difficult -- I have never shown anything but respect and
appreciation for their hard work and their accomplishments in how they
have served me and this country.
Given what you've written -- deannooo, gee kinda rhymes with dunnno --
you ought to be really careful because you are the kind of person right
now, that some people won't miss AND some others may even applaud your
disappearance. You had better change that attitude while you can.
Hopefully that will be soon. Everyone in their youth is allowed to be
-- well just the way you are now -- for a certain amount of time.
Don't wait too long or you may find the effects of what your mouth has
spoken and the words you have written come back at you with as little
concern as when you turned them loose on others -- as we here are all
witnesses. This universe has strange and terrible paybacks, Dean. Wise
up and get prepared to change now while the payback is yet small.
Did you graduate high school? You never studied the play, King Lear by
Shakespeare? There is a very critical and sad line spoken by the court
jester, whose official title was Fool. The words were spoken by this
Fool to King Lear after everything that mattered to him - his titles,
his kingdom, his home, was stolen from him by the one person he loved
most because -- well study the play and learn for yourself. The words
spoken by the Fool to the King after such loss was, "Thou shouldst not
have become old, until thou hadst become wise."
I hope, Dean, you have the chance to become wise, before your current
brusqueness and carelessness entraps you and it is too late.
Best wishes...
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