How to dual boot with MacOs X and yellowdog ppc - Off Topic

[Derick Centeno]

Greetings All:

I was wondering how to address some of how this discussion went, so  
please forgive me if my response comes too late and no one cares any  
more.

YDL is specifically designed for PowerPC systems.  The Cell and other  
systems (in the future) based upon the Cell, are also members of the  
PowerPC family.  This area of computational effort remains vibrant  
and powerful, although due to a variety of corporate decisions to  
which TSS must adapt with, along with everyone else, we are all not  
in the same market as we were even two or three years ago.  In my  
view as a user, there has to be a whole lot of review and evaluation  
regarding our respective interests and efforts.  The Cell is not  
merely another incarnation of G5/G4, etc.  It is really an incredible  
leap forward in insight.

Many brilliant people are moving forward following either the vision  
of Intel and associates or IBM and associates.  I believe it is very  
much about what architecture is best for what purpose, but few people  
can really engage fully at their best capacities matching their  
skills at the same level as the most talented scientific and  
engineers employed by these companies.  Open source support for these  
very different designs is not yet, in my view, quite equally balanced  
or even.  There remains a preponderance of open source software  
available for Intel which for a variety of reasons cannot, or are not  
allowed to, be recompiled on PowerPC systems.

There are always negotiations, potentials and possibilities of this  
situation changing -- one can await news or attempt to participate in  
the process whenever possible.  Open source as a concept, is very  
much susceptible to whatever decisions are made at the corporate  
level.  Open source is also very uniquely susceptible to choices made  
by individuals.

If for whatever reason, it is necessary to use Intel systems whereas  
previously one used YDL, one should remember that YDL is part of the  
Red Hat family of Linux.  One could use Red Hat Linux on any Intel  
system and feel quite at home however you will not have the advances  
and processing power which is only uniquely available to Cell and  
PowerPC systems.

As always it is a matter of what understanding one has and the skills  
one actually possesses to utilize a certain technology or body of  
technologies to it's maximum capacity.  Intel's approach could be  
expressed as throwing more computer cores at a problem; IBM's  
approach could be expressed as refining what is actually done with  
data in analyzing problems demanding massive amounts of data  
crunching ever more accurately.  Perhaps the previous statement is an  
oversimplification, but I think it works.  There maybe a better way  
of expressing the challenge we each face as users (and perhaps even  
vendors), but let it be clear that the challenge itself is very real  
-- as is addressing it successfully.  The gauntlet lies at the feet  
of each one of us.

Best to all... Derick

On Mar 11, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Steven Didier wrote:

> John, Glad to.
>   I use Parallels and VMware fusion (beta) each of these have varying
> degrees emulated hardware acceleration. For example in Parallels Suse
> 10. runs flawlessly but less so under VMware while Fedora Core 6 runs
> flawlessly under VMware but less so under Parallels. Ubuntu/Kubuntu
> 6.10 runs flawlessly on both. If you want to have fullscreen rather
> than a window it is now possible to use the GUI display tool without
> having to edit the Xorg config file manually. The one downside to all
> of this is that if you have moved to the intel Mac Yellow Dog is out
> of the question.
> Steve
> On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:11 PM, John wrote:
>
>> steven,
>>
>> i'm responding to your statement:
>>
>> I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and
>> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.
>>
>> what specific kind of emulation environments are you referring to?
>> and can you give direction on how others on this list can implement
>> them to do the same if they are seeking an easy way to multiboot
>> rather than simply dual boot with ydl?
>>
>> john
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>>
>> Steven Didier wrote:
>>
>>> Miklos,
>>> I have experimented with many Linux distros, including Yellow  
>>> Dog, in
>>> a dual boot environment on my G4 866 MGHz TiPowerbook and then again
>>> on a G5 iMac. I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and
>>> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.
>>> YellowDog is a great distro for your iBook but you won't be able to
>>> get it to boot off of a usb drive since Apple did not provide  
>>> support
>>> for that method in Open Firmware. It is possible to keep the boot
>>> environment (yaboot) in a small partition on your iBooks hard drive
>>> and run off the usb drive with the rest of the linux environment. I
>>> believe you can search the Ubuntu forums for guidance on the
>>> specifics. Or maybe the gurus of this list such as Derrick Centeno
>>> can help you. Otherwise I would suggest a firewire drive for the  
>>> most
>>> ease of use on installation.
>>> Good luck!
>>> Steve Didier
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:23 PM, james van dooren wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual boot with yellowdog  
>>>> ppc .
>>>> I want to install yellowdog on a usb harddrive. How do I get the
>>>> laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the laptop which is an IBook
>>>> G4.  I have worked with Windows and Linux together now I want to
>>>> join
>>>> the Mac experience. Can anyone please help?
>>>>
>>>> Miklos