Mac-On-Mac Development.

Jerome Vernet vernet.jerome at wanadoo.fr
Fri Jan 13 13:53:30 MST 2006 

Le 13 janv. 06, à 21:34, Jose Medeiros a écrit :

> Hi Jerome,
>
> I will next time I reinstall it ( I'll wait till I get the shipping
> version of 10.4.4 ). Hopefully Apple changes their policy on the
> hardware.
>
You do not have to wait 'till next reinstall ;). Just read the paper  
none of us had never read labelled 'Apple End user Agreement' that come  
with your Tiger box, where you can read that MacOsX can be only  
installed on [a single] Apple-labeled Computer (§2). I have mine under  
the eyes, I read it for the first time since my first mac, sometimes  
back in late 80'.

Note that you cannot use it also to operate 'nuclear facilities,  
aircraft... life support machine...'. Dammned ! Do they use Windows ?

> I would think that they would have a policy stating that it is only
> supported on Apple hardware and not supported on non Apple hardware,
> rather then making it a copyright violation.
>

Well, a lot of people are waiting for such a thing... As long as Steve  
is the Apple CEO, I bet you can wait for long ;)


> Just my two cents.
>
> Jose :-)
>
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>
> On 1/13/06, Jerome Vernet <vernet.jerome at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>> Le 13 janv. 06, à 01:53, Jose Medeiros a écrit :
>>
>>> What is illegal? Running Mac OSX 86 in VMWARE? If I purchase a legal
>>> copy of Tiger ( And I have ) then no copyright violation exists.
>>
>> Read the EULA that come with your MacOsX licence: it's written that  
>> you
>> can *only* run MacOsX *on* Apple hardware.
>>
>> So, running MacOsX on non Apple hardware is prohibed.
>>
>> Running MacOsX under vmware under Linux on a new macintel may be  
>> permit
>> ;)
>>
>> Jerome
>>
>>> I was
>>> just at Mac World and spoke to several Apple executives and SE's
>>> stating that I run it on VMWARE for testing purposes, and they
>>> mentioned that they would bring this up at their next management
>>> meeting with Steve Jobs.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I agree with you. It would be nice if VMWARE also
>>> ported their app to run on Tiger.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>>
>>> Jose Medeiros
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> On 1/12/06, Steven McGrath <steven.mcgrath at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, I have plenty of webspace at my site on chigeek.com.  All I am
>>>> looking for is coders.  The main obsticle is the kernel driver.  It
>>>> simply needs to be updated for 10.4.  From there we can start to  
>>>> work
>>>> on other aspects, like sound and networking.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/10/06, Hex Star <hexstar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I meant having a VMware so that various versions of MacOS could be
>>>>> run
>>>>> within a MacOS on a Mac, not a PC...oh and that is  
>>>>> illegal....*sigh*
>>>>> why do people pirate Apple products? Especially MacOS X, one of  
>>>>> their
>>>>> main flagship products...it takes away money they deserve, and I  
>>>>> for
>>>>> one would hate for them to turn to the ways Micro$oft has turned,
>>>>> what
>>>>> with increased prices, the activation system, Micro$oft also has  
>>>>> lost
>>>>> any innovation...illegally obtaining Apple products takes away  
>>>>> their
>>>>> money which may cause them to, if it happens enough, go the
>>>>> activation
>>>>> way which'd suck...I don't even think they have a registration key
>>>>> that is required for install and that could make it's way there if
>>>>> people keep bootlegging the PC beta of OS X, plus with less money
>>>>> there's less innovation and one of the main reasons I switched to  
>>>>> mac
>>>>> is because of their great innovation...so c'mon, don't bootleg  
>>>>> Apple
>>>>> products, of all the illegal activities you could do, do you really
>>>>> have to chose to illegally obain Apple products? Why not instead  
>>>>> grab
>>>>> a copy of Micro$oft Vista?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/9/06, Jose Medeiros <jose.medeiros at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> It all ready runs in VMWARE. I've been running it for several
>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out this link.
>>>>>> http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?
>>>>>> fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=6290994&blogID=51581816
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peace,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jose
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/9/06, Jose Medeiros <jose.medeiros at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> It all ready runs in VMWARE. I've been running it for several
>>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check out this link.
>>>>>>> http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?
>>>>>>> fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=6290994&blogID=51581816
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jose
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> On 1/9/06, Hex Star <hexstar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> oh and by the way, perhaps you guys could also mention here if
>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>> be interested in those at VMware writing a version of VMware for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> mac so that it'd run any MacOS inside of the current OS? Please
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> your reply specify if you'd be interested in this and if I get
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>> yeses I'll send them over to those at VMware to see if we can't
>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>> Mac version of VMware developed. :-) If we could get them to
>>>>>>>> develop
>>>>>>>> and support VMware for MacOS X it'd be great IMO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/9/06, Hex Star <hexstar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'd love to have this project more developed, although I am not
>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>> to do any coding I could offer webspace for the project...I'd
>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>> see this developed to the point that you could run a full MacOS
>>>>>>>>> 9 or
>>>>>>>>> below and perhaps in addition all MacOS X versions without
>>>>>>>>> having to
>>>>>>>>> reboot into the full on OS...VMWare for MacOS X  
>>>>>>>>> perhaps...VMware
>>>>>>>>> X?
>>>>>>>>> Anyways I'd love to see this continue to be supported and I  
>>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> project doesn't disappear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/9/06, Steven McGrath <steven.mcgrath at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have talked to the developer of Mac-on-Mac, and he doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> wish to
>>>>>>>>>> further develop the application to work on 10.4, or any other
>>>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>>>>> efforts.  Attached below it the email I received from him.  I  
>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>> curious as to if there is anyone out there who would like to
>>>>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>>>> develop the application, and pick it up from where it was
>>>>>>>>>> dropped?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello again,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the problem is not monetary, actually not at all and I would
>>>>>>>>>> not feel comfortable accepting donations because I might not
>>>>>>>>>> have success. I'm not very good in understanding someone
>>>>>>>>>> else's code, especially not if it is rather undocumented.
>>>>>>>>>> Samuel Rydh is the founder of the MoL project an probably  
>>>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> most of the code of the VM engine and it appears that he's not
>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>> to continue his development either. Due to the lack of G5
>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>> and no replies to my mails (to discuss some issues in his  
>>>>>>>>>> code I
>>>>>>>>>> don't understand) I lost my ambition to continue the  
>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>> of MoM. I prefer to develop things from scratch just to know
>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>> what's going on but in case of MoM thats nothing you do  
>>>>>>>>>> within a
>>>>>>>>>> couple nights that takes months and probably years.
>>>>>>>>>> I suppose the project was doomed by the day the Intel switch  
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> announced and I did not get any support from some more  
>>>>>>>>>> qualified
>>>>>>>>>> open source developers (well there where some who know HTML
>>>>>>>>>> and JavaScript but that's not very useful in this case ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>        -Sebastian
>>>>>>>>>> - Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:20 PM, Steven McGrath wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Damn, This Intel switch is causing a lot of waves to stop
>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>> in areas such as this.  It's sad, because a lot of us would
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> love to continue to use this software.  Many of us as well
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> aren't looking forward to the intel switch, however would  
>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>>>> this in 10.4 and get 10.4 running inside it.  If the issue is
>>>>>>>>>>> monetary, please let me know.  I would be happy to donate  
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>>>>> to further development and help raise money.  I saw a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> promise
>>>>>>>>>>> in this application, and it would be sad to see it rot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/8/05, Sebastian Gregorzyk <basti at bastix.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am curious as to if there is any further development
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ongoing with
>>>>>>>>>>>> MoM?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt it, due to the upcoming Intel switch I see no need
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPC VM for OS X.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm working on some other projects now and I don't think  
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> have time for MoM.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         -Sebastian
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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