Mac-On-Mac Development.

Jose Medeiros jose.medeiros at gmail.com
Fri Jan 13 13:34:14 MST 2006 

Hi Jerome,

I will next time I reinstall it ( I'll wait till I get the shipping
version of 10.4.4 ). Hopefully Apple changes their policy on the
hardware.

I would think that they would have a policy stating that it is only
supported on Apple hardware and not supported on non Apple hardware,
rather then making it a copyright violation.

Just my two cents.

Jose :-)

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On 1/13/06, Jerome Vernet <vernet.jerome at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Le 13 janv. 06, à 01:53, Jose Medeiros a écrit :
>
> > What is illegal? Running Mac OSX 86 in VMWARE? If I purchase a legal
> > copy of Tiger ( And I have ) then no copyright violation exists.
>
> Read the EULA that come with your MacOsX licence: it's written that you
> can *only* run MacOsX *on* Apple hardware.
>
> So, running MacOsX on non Apple hardware is prohibed.
>
> Running MacOsX under vmware under Linux on a new macintel may be permit
> ;)
>
> Jerome
>
> > I was
> > just at Mac World and spoke to several Apple executives and SE's
> > stating that I run it on VMWARE for testing purposes, and they
> > mentioned that they would bring this up at their next management
> > meeting with Steve Jobs.
> >
> > On the other hand, I agree with you. It would be nice if VMWARE also
> > ported their app to run on Tiger.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Jose Medeiros
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On 1/12/06, Steven McGrath <steven.mcgrath at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Well, I have plenty of webspace at my site on chigeek.com.  All I am
> >> looking for is coders.  The main obsticle is the kernel driver.  It
> >> simply needs to be updated for 10.4.  From there we can start to work
> >> on other aspects, like sound and networking.
> >>
> >> On 1/10/06, Hex Star <hexstar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I meant having a VMware so that various versions of MacOS could be
> >>> run
> >>> within a MacOS on a Mac, not a PC...oh and that is illegal....*sigh*
> >>> why do people pirate Apple products? Especially MacOS X, one of their
> >>> main flagship products...it takes away money they deserve, and I for
> >>> one would hate for them to turn to the ways Micro$oft has turned,
> >>> what
> >>> with increased prices, the activation system, Micro$oft also has lost
> >>> any innovation...illegally obtaining Apple products takes away their
> >>> money which may cause them to, if it happens enough, go the
> >>> activation
> >>> way which'd suck...I don't even think they have a registration key
> >>> that is required for install and that could make it's way there if
> >>> people keep bootlegging the PC beta of OS X, plus with less money
> >>> there's less innovation and one of the main reasons I switched to mac
> >>> is because of their great innovation...so c'mon, don't bootleg Apple
> >>> products, of all the illegal activities you could do, do you really
> >>> have to chose to illegally obain Apple products? Why not instead grab
> >>> a copy of Micro$oft Vista?
> >>>
> >>> On 1/9/06, Jose Medeiros <jose.medeiros at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> It all ready runs in VMWARE. I've been running it for several
> >>>> months.
> >>>>
> >>>> Check out this link.
> >>>> http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?
> >>>> fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=6290994&blogID=51581816
> >>>>
> >>>> Peace,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jose
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> ----
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/9/06, Jose Medeiros <jose.medeiros at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> It all ready runs in VMWARE. I've been running it for several
> >>>>> months.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Check out this link.
> >>>>> http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?
> >>>>> fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=6290994&blogID=51581816
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jose
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> On 1/9/06, Hex Star <hexstar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> oh and by the way, perhaps you guys could also mention here if
> >>>>>> you'd
> >>>>>> be interested in those at VMware writing a version of VMware for
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> mac so that it'd run any MacOS inside of the current OS? Please
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>> your reply specify if you'd be interested in this and if I get
> >>>>>> enough
> >>>>>> yeses I'll send them over to those at VMware to see if we can't
> >>>>>> get a
> >>>>>> Mac version of VMware developed. :-) If we could get them to
> >>>>>> develop
> >>>>>> and support VMware for MacOS X it'd be great IMO.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/9/06, Hex Star <hexstar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> I'd love to have this project more developed, although I am not
> >>>>>>> able
> >>>>>>> to do any coding I could offer webspace for the project...I'd
> >>>>>>> love to
> >>>>>>> see this developed to the point that you could run a full MacOS
> >>>>>>> 9 or
> >>>>>>> below and perhaps in addition all MacOS X versions without
> >>>>>>> having to
> >>>>>>> reboot into the full on OS...VMWare for MacOS X perhaps...VMware
> >>>>>>> X?
> >>>>>>> Anyways I'd love to see this continue to be supported and I hope
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>> project doesn't disappear.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 1/9/06, Steven McGrath <steven.mcgrath at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I have talked to the developer of Mac-on-Mac, and he doesn't
> >>>>>>>> wish to
> >>>>>>>> further develop the application to work on 10.4, or any other
> >>>>>>>> future
> >>>>>>>> efforts.  Attached below it the email I received from him.  I am
> >>>>>>>> curious as to if there is anyone out there who would like to
> >>>>>>>> further
> >>>>>>>> develop the application, and pick it up from where it was
> >>>>>>>> dropped?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello again,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the problem is not monetary, actually not at all and I would
> >>>>>>>> not feel comfortable accepting donations because I might not
> >>>>>>>> have success. I'm not very good in understanding someone
> >>>>>>>> else's code, especially not if it is rather undocumented.
> >>>>>>>> Samuel Rydh is the founder of the MoL project an probably wrote
> >>>>>>>> most of the code of the VM engine and it appears that he's not
> >>>>>>>> going
> >>>>>>>> to continue his development either. Due to the lack of G5
> >>>>>>>> support
> >>>>>>>> and no replies to my mails (to discuss some issues in his code I
> >>>>>>>> don't understand) I lost my ambition to continue the development
> >>>>>>>> of MoM. I prefer to develop things from scratch just to know
> >>>>>>>> exactly
> >>>>>>>> what's going on but in case of MoM thats nothing you do within a
> >>>>>>>> couple nights that takes months and probably years.
> >>>>>>>> I suppose the project was doomed by the day the Intel switch was
> >>>>>>>> announced and I did not get any support from some more qualified
> >>>>>>>> open source developers (well there where some who know HTML
> >>>>>>>> and JavaScript but that's not very useful in this case ;-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>        -Sebastian
> >>>>>>>> - Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:20 PM, Steven McGrath wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Damn, This Intel switch is causing a lot of waves to stop
> >>>>>>>>> development
> >>>>>>>>> in areas such as this.  It's sad, because a lot of us would
> >>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>> love to continue to use this software.  Many of us as well
> >>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>> aren't looking forward to the intel switch, however would love
> >>>>>>>>> to run
> >>>>>>>>> this in 10.4 and get 10.4 running inside it.  If the issue is
> >>>>>>>>> monetary, please let me know.  I would be happy to donate some
> >>>>>>>>> money
> >>>>>>>>> to further development and help raise money.  I saw a lot of
> >>>>>>>>> promise
> >>>>>>>>> in this application, and it would be sad to see it rot.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 12/8/05, Sebastian Gregorzyk <basti at bastix.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I am curious as to if there is any further development
> >>>>>>>>>>> ongoing with
> >>>>>>>>>> MoM?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I doubt it, due to the upcoming Intel switch I see no need
> >>>>>>>>>> for a
> >>>>>>>>>> PowerPC VM for OS X.
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm working on some other projects now and I don't think that
> >>>>>>>>>> I'll
> >>>>>>>>>> have time for MoM.
> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>         -Sebastian
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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