OK, I got xmms, and dvd playback with ogle up and going, I had to use rpm= for=20 ogle. Using arts just wasn't working so I just killed it, then xmms work= ed=20 fine, after I used to OSS output plugin. I am wondering what daemon runs= the=20 mac volume controls because I would like to disable them, they do not wor= k=20 correctly. =20 Thanks, Andrew Hodel