Weekly announcment for
Andrew Zschetzsche
zsche004 at morris.umn.edu
Thu Apr 7 14:08:27 MDT 2005
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On Apr 7, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
> Andy,
>
> (1) You don't have to "shut up".
> I enjoy your contributions to the list [:-) :-)].
Thanks. I was just kidding. Sometimes I ramble so much, and I usually
text is a lousy means of transporting sarcasm ;) . There, short and
sweet. :)
> (2) The clever garnome folks include a "bootstrap" directory in their
> GAR framework, which among other things contains firefox. So..., I
> you
> kick off the GAR process without any prior tinkering, GAR will build
> and install firefox as a dependency if it cannot find a firefox
> development environment that it likes.
Well, it sounds like you had nothing to worry about. Anyways, Thanks,
your comment is noted for the future.
Much better this time, I think :)
- --Andy
>>
>> Regarding Gnome 2.10 using Firefox, i think your best bet would be
>> waiting until YDL is using whatever Fedora version is using Gnome 2.x
>> with Firefox. Or at least until their testing packages of Firefox
>> become stable with version 4 (I'm totally guessing) AND it doesn't
>> squash my wee little head OR cause hassles with installing into YDL.
>> I'm guessing you're gonna get the same results using Mozilla as with
>> Firefox, as I'm sure Firefox is essentially a small GUI & stuff around
>> the same Gecko rendering engine. Ok, I'll shut up now. :)
>>
>> As for the flame regarding KDE and Gnome, I totally agree with the
>> fact
>> that It's a choice through and through. But because of the large
>> usage
>> of their development libraries, you kind-of need to have both. For
>> instance, I prefer Gnome. Most things I use are Gnome based. But I
>> also use Kdar, which requires KDE. Just be thankful that YDL comes
>> with both (I heard a major distro dropped one from their distro, but I
>> can't remember details.) and you're just a "switchdesk gnome" or
>> "switchdesk kde" or "yum install switchdesk-gui" away from choosing
>> your default. And if you can't stand either, more choices are on the
>> horizon. WindowMaker is already in YDL Extras Testing branch, and
>> XFCE
>> 4.2 is on my list of future submissions to the Extras.
>>
>> Ok, I'll shut up again :)
>>
>> - --Andy
>>
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>> *FLAME OFF*
>>>
>>> Be nice... [:-)]
>>>
>>> Life is about choices. You may configure whatever desktop suits your
>>> fancy. There are many desktops to choose from. GNOME and KDE are
>>> only
>>> two of the many choices.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth...
>>> As reported earlier, I have successfully built KDE-3.4 using
>>> konstruct,
>>> the GAR framework for KDE.
>>>
>>> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.php
>>>
>>> KDE-3.4 is a large, complex desktop with lots of interesting toys. If
>>> there is to be a YDL-4.0.2 release before YDL-5.0 is released, I
>>> would
>>> like to see the version of KDE updated to 3.4.
>>>
>>> -Joseph
>>>
>>> =====================================================================
>>> ==
>>> =======
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 13:27, Richard June wrote:
>>>> *FLAME ON*
>>>> Well, I'm sure we all know that KDE is a much better choice for an
>>>> environment
>>>> then GNOME, especially if you want to be able to set defaults and/or
>>>> restrict
>>>> access to things. :-)
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday 07 April 2005 09:31 am, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>> NBD... Let me put it into perspective: It is not a show stopper.
>>>>>
>>>>> GNOME-2.10.0.x can be configured to build against mozilla rather
>>>>> than
>>>>> firefox. However..., the gnomes [those wee folk that create the
>>>>> GNOME
>>>>> desktop ???] have moved on to firefox.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> ===================================================================
>>>>> ==
>>>>> =
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 10:19, Andrew Zschetzsche wrote:
>>>>>> Ahh, I have been corrected. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd have to try a RPM from Fedora's 3.90 testing build, as that
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> Gnome 2.10 beta. If that doesn't work, I'm out; I'd have no idea
>>>>>> as to
>>>>>> what goes where.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>> Answer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rpm -ql mozilla-devel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you wish to build any other application that is based upon
>>>>>>> firefox,
>>>>>>> e.g. epiphany-1.6, you will need the firefox equivalents of the
>>>>>>> include
>>>>>>> files, libraries, etc. listed above. The current "stable" branch
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> GNOME, 2.10.0.x, uses now uses firefox rather than mozilla.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The mozilla install on YDL contains:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mozilla-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>> mozilla-chat-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>> mozilla-devel-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>> mozilla-dom-inspector-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>> mozilla-js-debugger-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>> mozilla-mail-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>> mozilla-nspr-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>> mozilla-nspr-devel-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>> mozilla-nss-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>> mozilla-nss-devel-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should carefully review this list and decide which of these
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> relevant to creating a developer environment for firefox.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Joseph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =================================================================
>>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 01:32, Richard June wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday 06 April 2005 08:27, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It would be useful if there were also a firefox-devel, just
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> mozilla-devel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uhm, what would you want in firefox-devel?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> joseph_sacco[at]comcast[dot]net
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>> - --
>> Andrew Zschetzsche
>> University of Minnesota, Morris
>> zsche004 at morris.umn.edu
>> aim: zsche004
>> msn: zsche004 at mrs.umn.edu
>>
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Andrew Zschetzsche
University of Minnesota, Morris
zsche004 at morris.umn.edu
aim: zsche004
msn: zsche004 at mrs.umn.edu
America's Best Public Liberal Arts College.
- --The best answer to a problem with multiple solutions is often the
simplest one.
"One of the best things you can do to improve your life is to quit"
-- Actual pull quote from the University Register
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