[ydl-gen] [OT] Helpful updates (was: how to disable power management - "Always On" mode?)

[Anthony Lanni]

I'm afraid I can't say I disagree with you, Jurvis. I wish I could. Joseph,
Norberto, and others like Clint MacDonald give great responses; simple,
to the point, and helpful. Often they have step by step walkthroughs of
how to solve problems, sometimes (as I prefer to do) they point you in
a direction or two and give you clues, so you can solve the problem
yourself.

Derick, another friendly piece of advice; look at some of the other
responses from
people like that and try to emulate them. I've noticed that suggesting
solutions
outside of Yellow Dog itself is often unwelcome (remember the Ubuntu Wars of

'04?). Any post that rambles on is generally unhelpful, as people quickly
tire of
reading them; this post, itself, is coming dangerously close to that point.
Prostheletizing any topic is dangerous ground.

I hope I have not offended. If so, I apologize. I also welcome constructive
criticism.

And a message to the list in general, especially its moderators; is there a
published
set of guidelines for posting? I wouldn't expect any such list to cover the
current
subject matter, but if there is one I'd like to read it to prevent my own
missteps.

thx
anthony

On 11/10/05, Jurvis LaSalle <lasalle at bard.edu> wrote:
>
> Derick,
>
> I find your posts frequently confuse the point of many matters. Your
> matter-of-fact dispensing of misinformation incenses me so much that I
> rarely actively participate in this list any longer. If it wasn't for
> the occasional gem from the honorable Joseph Sacco (and a few others- i
> enjoy Norberto too), I would unsubscribe because I'm tired of reading
> your misguided attempts to be helpful.
> Sometimes you do actually help. That makes you only slightly more
> useful than the proverbial stopped clock. I've kept my mouth shut
> about this for months because I don't know how to tell you this without
> sounding like a total jackass. Seeing Anthony step up today has made
> me feel my oats. Please don't dismiss this message cause the messenger
> is a jerk.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jurvis LaSalle
>
> On Nov 10, 2005, at 11:54 AM, Derick Centeno wrote:
>
> > Dear Anthony:
> > €
> > Thanks for your comment. I regularly peruse this and the newbie list €
> > and am always open to constructive information.
> > €
> >
> > €
> > When we read information written by others describing a problem, €
> > sometimes the problem is described exactly as it is; sometimes there €
> > is more behind the description which has not been conveyed
> > sufficiently €
> > well.
> > €
> >
> > €
> > I have learned to not assume one particular scenario or view based
> > upon €
> > what is described so I ask questions which help me understand the €
> > situation better.
> > €
> >
> > €
> > My initial response expressed a concern that his system/network was €
> > compromised such that it was told to induce the sleep mode. If this €
> > was all his system was induced to do, that would be great but we know €
> > that much worse could have been done and is possible to do, which is €
> > why I addressed his question utilizing a Systems or Wholistic style €
> > approach. His question remember, included the phrase, "how to €
> > completely disable anything ..."; I introduced Tripwire into the €
> > discussion for his consideration so that he could discover whatever €
> > attack was going on by using it. Tripwire is very powerful tool for €
> > tracking what is being attacked, how and even in what manner ... it €
> > tracks everything and keeps logs of whatever is going on and can
> > negate €
> > any process from proceeding forward was well. Tripwire is perfect for
> > €
> > discovering the fact and existence of an actual attack if one is in €
> > fact occurring. However, if one does not have Tripwire it is
> > extremely €
> > difficult to determine the source and manner of how an attack was €
> > executed. Tripwire after it has learned the normal operations of a €
> > system can stop absolutely nearly anything thrown at it, and so it is €
> > an appropriate tool for him which could effectively stop any outside €
> > program which may induce or may have induced that behavior or any
> > other €
> > unauthorized system behavior. And if his authorization is merely that
> > €
> > of a user, he can possibly pass on the information shared to his
> > System €
> > Administrator for possible implementation of the commercial or open €
> > source version of Tripwire where appropriate and necessary.
> > €
> >
> > €
> > In the process of a later exchange I brought out the point of other €
> > possible solutions which could be done from within a control panel or €
> > other system option which may also have been overlooked.
> > €
> >
> > €
> > Usually when someone writes that they want to disable "anything" they €
> > usually mean that they intend to disable anything that causes the €
> > behavior or action that they are complaining about, AND any other
> > thing €
> > imitating or proceeding or causing other unknown or unexpected effects
> > €
> > within a system. It turns out that everything is a matter of €
> > interpretation -- English, just as any human language is not precise
> > as €
> > a mathematical equation or even as precise as a score of Beethoven or €
> > Mozart or other musical script.
> > €
> >
> > €
> > There is room to interpret and view many things, many ways especially €
> > over time. Remaining flexible to such is an Art; all anyone can do is
> > €
> > work to refine oneself in it.
> > €
> >
> > €
> > On Nov 9, 2005, at 11:05 PM, Anthony Lanni wrote:
> > €
> >
> > €
> >> Jonathan, check your APM or ACPI settings. You can quickly check
> > €
> >> which one you're using by
> > €
> >> looking in /proc; one or the other (usually not both) will be there.
> > €
> >> Both are easily googled, as well.
> > €
> >> My yellowdog box defaulted to APM; that's not really a problem, since
> > €
> >> it's a laptop anyway, but I
> > €
> >> suggest upgrading to ACPI for support and configurability.
> > €
> >>
> > €
> >> Also check the Advanced tab in the Screensaver control panel. You
> > €
> >> may be able to ignore my
> > €
> >> previous paragraph completely.
> > €
> >>
> > €
> >> And Derick, if I may offer a bit of advice; please read people's
> > €
> >> questions more carefully in order
> > €
> >> to provide a useful solution set. The original post - which you
> > €
> >> thoughtfully included
> > €
> >> in your first reply - makes it clear that the machine just went to
> > €
> >> sleep, not just once but twice.
> > €
> >>
> > €
> >> On 10/5/05, Derick Centeno <aguilarojo at verizon.net> wrote:
> > €
> >>> ... From your more detailed
> > €
> >>> description this time around it appears that your system didn't
> > €
> >>> shutdown; it was merely asleep.Completely different scenario than
> > €
> >>> what was described. ...
> > €
> >>
> > €
> >> On Oct 5, 2005, at 2:05 PM, sa at claborn.net wrote:
> > €
> >>
> > €
> >> > Hello,
> > €
> >> >
> > €
> >> > I'm trying to set up YDL 4.0.1 as a server and this morning when I
> > €
> >> > came back to work, I found that the OS was asleep - I couldn't ping
> > €
> >> or connect
> > €
> >> > to any services.
> > €
> >> >
> > €
> >> > Does anyone know how to completely disable anything that would put
> > €
> >> the
> > €
> >> > computer to sleep?
> > €
> >> ...
> > €
> >>
> > €
> >>
> > €
> >>
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