[OT]Re: [ydl-gen] mp3 player

[Jurvis LaSalle]

Derick,

	You have made me more upset with your last email than any anonymous 
internet persona has in my few years on the net.  Your willful 
spreading of misinformation (and the smug tone you take when you 
falsely believe you are correct) incenses me greatly.  I have gone 
through several revisions of this response, attempting to tone down the 
venom and leave just constructive information.  Forgive me if I go 
astray here or there at some point.  Like I said, my utter failure to 
educate you has had me seeing red this morning.  Let's begin...

	I realize that wikipedia doesn't have a sterling reputation.  I very 
well could have put that information there to make you look wrong.  If 
you check the history page, you can see I obviously didn't.  But if you 
believe this wiki page to be a hoax because you "guessed" that Apple 
ripped off GOOM based on similar behavior, you are incorrect.  Similar 
solutions to the same problem is only correlation, not causation.  
Furthermore, if you had even followed your own link, you would have 
found that the software that you link to is a plugin for iTunes- NOT 
the included iTunes visualizer.
  "iGoom is a wonderful visual effect plug-in for iTunes for Mac OS X. A 
mac standalone version is now also available. This is the Mac version 
of Goom, originally written by Jean-Christophe Hoelt "jeko" 
(jeko at ios-software.com) and ported to iTunes by Guillaume Borios "gyom" 
(gyom at ios-software.com)"

	However, your assertion that we won't have any more proof than your 
"successful guess" is also wrong.  Apple has licensed the software and 
credited its developers.	If you're booted into  Mac OS X, launch 
iTunes, select iTunes -> About iTunes from the menu and read from whom 
they licensed their visualization engine.  If you're in YDL, mount your 
OS X partition, navigate to 
/<osx-mnt-pt>/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/ .  Open 
Localized.rsrc- it's a binary file, so I recommend you use the strings 
utility piped to less to get the info.  You will find this text string 
in the file: 'G-Force visualization engine licensed from Whitecap 
Technologies, Inc.'  If you surf here: 
http://www.soundspectrum.com/about.html (the very website linked from 
that "dubious" wiki page), you can read that Whitecap Technologies, 
Inc. (now SoundSpectrum, Inc.) is indeed the heart of iTunes 
visualization.
	QED.

	Far from suspecting you work for Apple, I read your initial post and 
saw an accusation of GPL violations- defamation in a word.  Not 
something an Apple employee would do lightly.  More akin to the 
careless words of linux zealot.  Indeed, it is your careless choice of 
words and incessant posting that has driven me to hound every 
misstatement you make.  You must take more care to help build up 
knowledge or else this list and it's newer members will find themselves 
on a shaky foundation.  It is OK to be wrong once in a while, but you 
post so much and are wrong or misleading far too often for me to stand 
idly by.

Have a nice weekend,
Jurvis LaSalle

ps no world class encyclopedic reference will ever have an entry on 
such a trivial topic.  wiki + references is the best we have atm.

On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:

> Of course, it is easy to be mistaken as no one really knows what Apple 
> is doing.
>
> However, my guess or rather why I came to believe that GOOM is 
> implemented within iTunes, is based upon how the visual portion of 
> iTunes behaves when the visualization feature which adapts images to 
> music spontaneously is activated.   My "guess" is based upon long 
> observation of how GOOM behaves within xine within the YDL environment 
> as far back when YDL was in version 2.0.  I didn't discover iTunes and 
> it's visualization feature until I received a powerbook as a gift last 
> year and ran OS X.  I was able to recognize certain commonalities in 
> how the visualization engine behaved, my "guess" is based on those 
> observations.  And Jurvis it's really ok to be wrong now and then ... 
> you do know that Wikipedia is hardly the bedrock of accurate 
> information... right?  Wikipedia is however functional as a cheap and 
> fast lookup when one doesn't have access to a quality and 
> authoritative encyclopedic tome such as Britannica or other world 
> class encyclopedic reference.
>
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.ios-software.com/?page=projet&quoi=1
>
> I'm sure you'll have better luck, next time..
>
> Always, fondly....DC
>
> To answer your other question, or implied question, I don't work for 
> Apple and really have no way of knowing what they installed or how 
> apart from carefully observing how the software in question (here 
> iTunes) behaves when it is activated to visualize music or present 
> images which "move to music".  As I explained, my success in this 
> situation (the guess I made) stems from very close observation of how 
> software behaves and what is implemented when.
>
> Ciao!!
>
> On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Jurvis LaSalle wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Derick Centeno wrote:
>>
>>>  I'm convinced that GOOM is implemented within Apple's iTune's, they 
>>> are just not going to admit it to anyone.
>>>
>>
>> I'm convinced that you are mistaken once again.  
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoundSpectrum
>>
>> Maybe, just maybe you saw someome who had installed the GOOM plugin 
>> for iTunes...
>>
>> htsys,
>> JL
>>
>
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