[OT]Re: [ydl-gen] mp3 player

Sat Feb 4 11:12:36 MST 2006

Derick,
  I find adding more url's to yum.conf file fascinating. What a great idea!
I went to the yum website and tried to understand all the necessary
things to edit my
yum.conf file. Could you please send me a copy of your yum.conf file
so I may find my error. I'll send mine in the following e-mail
   Thanks again
      rRob

On 2/3/06, Jurvis LaSalle <lasalle at bard.edu> wrote:
> Derick,
>
>         You have made me more upset with your last email than any anonymous
> internet persona has in my few years on the net.  Your willful
> spreading of misinformation (and the smug tone you take when you
> falsely believe you are correct) incenses me greatly.  I have gone
> through several revisions of this response, attempting to tone down the
> venom and leave just constructive information.  Forgive me if I go
> astray here or there at some point.  Like I said, my utter failure to
> educate you has had me seeing red this morning.  Let's begin...
>
>         I realize that wikipedia doesn't have a sterling reputation.  I very
> well could have put that information there to make you look wrong.  If
> you check the history page, you can see I obviously didn't.  But if you
> believe this wiki page to be a hoax because you "guessed" that Apple
> ripped off GOOM based on similar behavior, you are incorrect.  Similar
> solutions to the same problem is only correlation, not causation.
> Furthermore, if you had even followed your own link, you would have
> found that the software that you link to is a plugin for iTunes- NOT
> the included iTunes visualizer.
>   "iGoom is a wonderful visual effect plug-in for iTunes for Mac OS X. A
> mac standalone version is now also available. This is the Mac version
> of Goom, originally written by Jean-Christophe Hoelt "jeko"
> (jeko at ios-software.com) and ported to iTunes by Guillaume Borios "gyom"
> (gyom at ios-software.com)"
>
>         However, your assertion that we won't have any more proof than your
> "successful guess" is also wrong.  Apple has licensed the software and
> credited its developers.        If you're booted into  Mac OS X, launch
> iTunes, select iTunes -> About iTunes from the menu and read from whom
> they licensed their visualization engine.  If you're in YDL, mount your
> OS X partition, navigate to
> /<osx-mnt-pt>/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/ .  Open
> Localized.rsrc- it's a binary file, so I recommend you use the strings
> utility piped to less to get the info.  You will find this text string
> in the file: 'G-Force visualization engine licensed from Whitecap
> Technologies, Inc.'  If you surf here:
> http://www.soundspectrum.com/about.html (the very website linked from
> that "dubious" wiki page), you can read that Whitecap Technologies,
> Inc. (now SoundSpectrum, Inc.) is indeed the heart of iTunes
> visualization.
>         QED.
>
>         Far from suspecting you work for Apple, I read your initial post and
> saw an accusation of GPL violations- defamation in a word.  Not
> something an Apple employee would do lightly.  More akin to the
> careless words of linux zealot.  Indeed, it is your careless choice of
> words and incessant posting that has driven me to hound every
> misstatement you make.  You must take more care to help build up
> knowledge or else this list and it's newer members will find themselves
> on a shaky foundation.  It is OK to be wrong once in a while, but you
> post so much and are wrong or misleading far too often for me to stand
> idly by.
>
> Have a nice weekend,
> Jurvis LaSalle
>
> ps no world class encyclopedic reference will ever have an entry on
> such a trivial topic.  wiki + references is the best we have atm.
>
> On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:
>
> > Of course, it is easy to be mistaken as no one really knows what Apple
> > is doing.
> >
> > However, my guess or rather why I came to believe that GOOM is
> > implemented within iTunes, is based upon how the visual portion of
> > iTunes behaves when the visualization feature which adapts images to
> > music spontaneously is activated.   My "guess" is based upon long
> > observation of how GOOM behaves within xine within the YDL environment
> > as far back when YDL was in version 2.0.  I didn't discover iTunes and
> > it's visualization feature until I received a powerbook as a gift last
> > year and ran OS X.  I was able to recognize certain commonalities in
> > how the visualization engine behaved, my "guess" is based on those
> > observations.  And Jurvis it's really ok to be wrong now and then ...
> > you do know that Wikipedia is hardly the bedrock of accurate
> > information... right?  Wikipedia is however functional as a cheap and
> > fast lookup when one doesn't have access to a quality and
> > authoritative encyclopedic tome such as Britannica or other world
> > class encyclopedic reference.
> >
> > Check this out:
> >
> > http://www.ios-software.com/?page=projet&quoi=1
> >
> > I'm sure you'll have better luck, next time..
> >
> > Always, fondly....DC
> >
> > To answer your other question, or implied question, I don't work for
> > Apple and really have no way of knowing what they installed or how
> > apart from carefully observing how the software in question (here
> > iTunes) behaves when it is activated to visualize music or present
> > images which "move to music".  As I explained, my success in this
> > situation (the guess I made) stems from very close observation of how
> > software behaves and what is implemented when.
> >
> > Ciao!!
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Jurvis LaSalle wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Derick Centeno wrote:
> >>
> >>>  I'm convinced that GOOM is implemented within Apple's iTune's, they
> >>> are just not going to admit it to anyone.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm convinced that you are mistaken once again.
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoundSpectrum
> >>
> >> Maybe, just maybe you saw someome who had installed the GOOM plugin
> >> for iTunes...
> >>
> >> htsys,
> >> JL
> >>
> >
> >
> > ===============
> > Mitakuye Oyasin -- A saying of the Lakota Sioux meaning "We are all
> > related".
> >
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