[ydl-gen] Question on YDL.net
Gavin Hemphill
hemphill at glhemphill.net
Thu Jun 29 09:23:38 MDT 2006
You were correct in your overall statments, just wrong in your
assessment of the Ubuntu (Ubuntu 6.06) versions - and No they are not
just the debian ones.
G++
On 28-Jun-06, at 6:11 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:
> Sorry Gavin:
> It is difficult to understand what you are saying. You are saying
> I'm correct and then later I'm incorrect?
> Let's settle this the easy way, ok?
>
> Go to Debian's own website (their official press release) and read
> the details here:
>
> http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606
>
> What you are referring to Gavin are updates to the standard
> release, which is done by individuals and piecemeal. And as any
> experienced Linux user knows that is what everybody does no matter
> what distribution one uses, except for YDL. And why is that an
> important difference?
>
> Well TSS, believes (their performance demonstrates this) that as
> people are paying for TSS's service it consistently puts it's
> standard release way far ahead of everyone else's standard release
> AND insures that these packages work together. Now that's a big
> difference, yes?
>
> Let me be clear, I do respect the efforts of the non-commercial
> community and I'm well aware of their fans and their respective
> values. However, there is a big difference between what I expect
> in the quality of what I pay for and what I expect for "free". I
> for one am very lenient with free open source software and the
> attitudes of some programmers who confuse themselves as deities.
> So when I find ridiculous coding errors in kernel source or
> elsewhere I make note of it but in my situation I've never had to
> bother reporting it because TSS invariably leap frogs over everyone
> else's versions -- regularly and consistently -- they've done so
> for years, since their first product. I know because I bought and
> used it then and I use YDL 4.1 now.
>
> Now let me be clear about this because we are all rather busy doing
> something, and really there is no argument here.
>
> Linux is about individuals making highly complex and technical
> choices. Not something the mass majority is really used to by the
> way. Some distributions are better than others in the kind of face
> and support structure they build around their version of Linux.
> This is no surprise and is quite a wonderful thing. However, when
> the details and technicalities really matter -- and one needs a
> certain level of standard performance because one is engaged in
> some detailed and technical work of their own research interests or
> with a government or private lab -- one needs assurance that solid
> reliability of every standard package in a release is actually
> there. Well, this is where commercial entities shine and of them,
> what TSS has done and continues to do today, is not insignificant.
>
> Let's allow everyone the level of respect they have actually
> earned, shall we?
>
> Derick.
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Gavin Hemphill wrote:
>
>> Derrick:
>> what you say is correct. As a user of both YDL and Ubuntu I need
>> to point out that the information you provide on Ubuntu is
>> incorrect. Currently Ubuntu uses the following:
>>
>> Kernel 2.6.15
>> Gnome 2.14
>> KDE 4.3.5
>> X.org 7.0
>> and Firefox 1.5
>> G++
>>
>>
>> On 28-Jun-06, at 12:35 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ted:
>>>
>>> You are probably very well aware how tricky your question is.
>>> One way to interpret your question is that you expect TSS to
>>> provide the latest available KDE environment? By the way, isn't
>>> that the job of the KDE folks themselves? Remember that KDE,
>>> like many other Linux projects are comprised of volunteers. TSS
>>> is a commercial entity.
>>>
>>> Some projects are better organized and current than others,
>>> likewise for commercial entities. Where they differ is at what
>>> point the commercial entities decide to move ahead in choosing
>>> what will go into their respective commercial products and why.
>>> Each commercial company makes their own decisions regarding how
>>> much longer they will wait for a certain project to be complete
>>> as a version. Occasionally a project will be moving to a newer
>>> version just at or after a point where a company had to decide to
>>> move and use what was already available as their product's
>>> usefulness in the market place is recognized as maximal within a
>>> certain time frame. Each company maximizes the utility of their
>>> product for a certain market place. It may be that users of that
>>> product may also see value in a company production, but usually
>>> these users (you and I) have different values of what that value
>>> is than the company or other corporate associates are even aware
>>> of. Our own contribution, or wrinkle to the above are our
>>> choices regarding what we as individuals want. If we want
>>> something, fortunately we can create or get it ourselves.
>>>
>>> Exploring this is interesting because it can help highlight the
>>> value TSS or any other commercial entity provides in comparison
>>> to Debian and others.
>>>
>>> Let's look at some distributions, ok?
>>>
>>> Linux kernel KDE Gnome
>>> X.org Firefox and Thunderbird
>>> YDL 4.1 2.6.15-rc5 3.4.2 2.10
>>> 6.8.2 1.5 1.5
>>> Debian 3.1 2.6.8 3.3
>>> 2.8 1.0.4 1.0.2
>>> Ubuntu They are built upon Debian (we can consider
>>> this the same for them).
>>>
>>> I provided the information regarding Ubuntu and Debian because
>>> they are known to users of this list as well. You could research
>>> beyond this with commercial vendors and others but I believe it
>>> is enough. It is true that one can install, and modify the
>>> standard package provided to whatever is current, but the dirty
>>> secret is that packages are provided so that they work together.
>>> I rather have advanced packages which work together already at
>>> boot, thank you. I'll mix and match on my own from that point.
>>>
>>> Maybe the link here can help:
>>>
>>> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/showcase/customers/
>>>
>>> Choose any one of the icons, and remember to take a look at Indi
>>> -- for Individuals.
>>>
>>> Whatever you decide, you can always participate here.
>>>
>>> Good Luck...
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Ted Goranson wrote:
>>>
>>>> In an upcoming shift of machines, I am considering putting YDL
>>>> 4. 1 on my 1G 17" PowerBook G4.
>>>>
>>>> I have 4.0 on my Pismo and am discouraged about how old KDE is
>>>> and that yum never touches something active.
>>>>
>>>> This message is about YDL.net. A couple years ago when I asked,
>>>> folks said it wasn't worth much.
>>>>
>>>> Is it now? If I pay the money, will it be a reliable, robust and
>>>> continuously rich upgrade/update source for a desktop KDE?
>>>>
>>>> Best, Ted
>>>> -- __________
>>>> Ted Goranson
>>>> Sirius-Beta
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