[ydl-gen] Question on YDL.net

Gavin Hemphill hemphill at glhemphill.net
Thu Jun 29 09:23:38 MDT 2006


You were correct in your overall statments, just wrong in your  
assessment of the Ubuntu (Ubuntu 6.06) versions - and No they are not  
just the debian ones.
	G++

On 28-Jun-06, at 6:11 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:

> Sorry Gavin:
> It is difficult to understand what you are saying.  You are saying  
> I'm correct and then later I'm incorrect?
> Let's settle this the easy way, ok?
>
> Go to Debian's own website (their official press release) and read  
> the details here:
>
> http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606
>
> What you are referring to Gavin are updates to the standard  
> release, which is done by individuals and piecemeal.  And as any  
> experienced Linux user knows that is what everybody does no matter  
> what distribution one uses, except for YDL.  And why is that an  
> important difference?
>
> Well TSS, believes (their performance demonstrates this) that as  
> people are paying for TSS's service it consistently puts it's  
> standard release way far ahead of everyone else's standard release  
> AND insures that these packages work together.  Now that's a big  
> difference, yes?
>
> Let me be clear, I do respect the efforts of the non-commercial  
> community and I'm well aware of their fans and their respective  
> values.  However, there is a big difference between what I expect  
> in the quality of what I pay for and what I expect for "free".  I  
> for one am very lenient with free open source software and the  
> attitudes of some programmers who confuse themselves as deities.   
> So when I find ridiculous coding errors in kernel source or  
> elsewhere I make note of it but in my situation I've never had to  
> bother reporting it because TSS invariably leap frogs over everyone  
> else's versions -- regularly and consistently -- they've done so  
> for years, since their first product.  I know because I bought and  
> used it then and I use YDL 4.1 now.
>
> Now let me be clear about this because we are all rather busy doing  
> something, and really there is no argument here.
>
> Linux is about individuals making highly complex and technical  
> choices.  Not something the mass majority is really used to by the  
> way.  Some distributions are better than others in the kind of face  
> and support structure they build around their version of Linux.   
> This is no surprise and is quite a wonderful thing.  However, when  
> the details and technicalities really matter -- and one needs a  
> certain level of standard performance because one is engaged in  
> some detailed and technical work of their own research interests or  
> with a government or private lab -- one needs assurance that solid  
> reliability of every standard package in a release is actually  
> there.  Well, this is where commercial entities shine and of them,  
> what TSS has done and continues to do today, is not insignificant.
>
> Let's allow everyone the level of respect they have actually  
> earned, shall we?
>
> Derick.
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Gavin Hemphill wrote:
>
>> Derrick:
>> 	what you say is correct.  As a user of both YDL and Ubuntu I need  
>> to point out that the information you provide on Ubuntu is  
>> incorrect.  Currently Ubuntu uses the following:
>>
>> Kernel 2.6.15
>> Gnome 2.14
>> KDE 4.3.5
>> X.org 7.0
>> and Firefox 1.5
>> 	G++
>>
>>
>> On 28-Jun-06, at 12:35 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ted:
>>>
>>> You are probably very well aware how tricky your question is.   
>>> One way to interpret your question is that you expect TSS to  
>>> provide the latest available KDE environment?  By the way, isn't  
>>> that the job of the KDE folks themselves?  Remember that KDE,  
>>> like many other Linux projects are comprised of volunteers.  TSS  
>>> is a commercial entity.
>>>
>>> Some projects are better organized and current than others,  
>>> likewise for commercial entities.  Where they differ is at what  
>>> point the commercial entities decide to move ahead in choosing  
>>> what will go into their respective commercial products and why.   
>>> Each commercial company makes their own decisions regarding how  
>>> much longer they will wait for a certain project to be complete  
>>> as a version.  Occasionally a project will be moving to a newer  
>>> version just at or after a point where a company had to decide to  
>>> move and use what was already available as their product's  
>>> usefulness in the market place is recognized as maximal within a  
>>> certain time frame.  Each company maximizes the utility of their  
>>> product for a certain market place.  It may be that users of that  
>>> product may also see value in a company production, but usually  
>>> these users (you and I) have different values of what that value  
>>> is than the company or other corporate associates are even aware  
>>> of.  Our own contribution, or wrinkle to the above are our  
>>> choices regarding what we as individuals want.  If we want  
>>> something, fortunately we can create or get it ourselves.
>>>
>>> Exploring this is interesting because it can help highlight the  
>>> value TSS or any other commercial entity provides in comparison  
>>> to Debian and others.
>>>
>>> Let's look at some distributions, ok?
>>>
>>>                        Linux kernel   KDE     Gnome     
>>> X.org       Firefox and Thunderbird
>>> YDL 4.1         2.6.15-rc5       3.4.2     2.10          
>>> 6.8.2           1.5                  1.5
>>> Debian 3.1       2.6.8              3.3         
>>> 2.8                             1.0.4              1.0.2
>>> Ubuntu             They are built upon Debian (we can consider  
>>> this the same for them).
>>>
>>> I provided the information regarding Ubuntu and Debian because  
>>> they are known to users of this list as well.  You could research  
>>> beyond this with commercial vendors and others but I believe it  
>>> is enough.  It is true that one can install, and modify the  
>>> standard package provided to whatever is current, but the dirty  
>>> secret is that packages are provided so that they work together.   
>>> I rather have advanced packages which work together already at  
>>> boot, thank you.  I'll mix and match on my own from that point.
>>>
>>> Maybe the link here can help:
>>>
>>> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/showcase/customers/
>>>
>>> Choose any one of the icons, and remember to take a look at Indi  
>>> -- for Individuals.
>>>
>>> Whatever you decide, you can always participate here.
>>>
>>> Good Luck...
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Ted Goranson wrote:
>>>
>>>> In an upcoming shift of machines, I am considering putting YDL  
>>>> 4. 1 on my 1G 17" PowerBook G4.
>>>>
>>>> I have 4.0 on my Pismo and am discouraged about how old KDE is  
>>>> and that yum never touches something active.
>>>>
>>>> This message is about YDL.net. A couple years ago when I asked,  
>>>> folks said it wasn't worth much.
>>>>
>>>> Is it now? If I pay the money, will it be a reliable, robust and  
>>>> continuously rich upgrade/update source for a desktop KDE?
>>>>
>>>> Best, Ted
>>>> -- __________
>>>> Ted Goranson
>>>> Sirius-Beta
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