[ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum

[Thomas Carlson]

Derick:

Debian is still actively developing a desktop PPC version, the newest stable release, Squeeze, having been released just this past February.  Now, it's on to Wheezy.

I am at the moment installing the latest test version, just out today, on my PowerMac G4 digital audio.  Hopefully, a bug in the Squeeze installer that assigned the wrong sound module to my particular machine has been fixed.

True, no one is making any money off this endeavor.  But, the bottom line is not the only line.

Cheers, Tom

On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Derick Centeno wrote:

> Thanks, I appreciate the correction.
> 
> The question however remains in terms of the quality of PowerPC support.
> 
> There is a bit of a difference between support for IBM POWER server
> architectures, which institutions (corporate and educational) tend to
> use versus consumer grade computers such as the various older Apple and
> other PowerPC desktop/laptop products which yet remain available on ebay
> or elsewhere becoming increasingly more expensive to replace when one or
> another of these consumer grade products break down.  This situation is
> something I'm very familiar with by the way, and I can testify to the
> challenge and difficulty of an individual justifying the expense of
> hundreds of dollars to repair a component needed by a home-based PowerPC
> system one owns versus what institutions can pay or afford out of "petty
> cash" or other easily available funding or other sources.
> 
> The economies of scale are very, very different.
> 
> Between the choice of expenditures a sole individual must consider
> essentials such as food, or child support or other responsibilities -
> car/bus fare to search or find work, rent, produce résumés, etc. -
> versus replacing an expensive component for an aging machine utilizing
> Linux software which no longer receives primary support (example Fedora
> nor Ubuntu provide primary level support for PowerPC systems).
> 
> Many will switch to x86_Linux running on Intel or Cygwin or Cygwin-X
> (which runs within Windows 7 while recreating the Linux environment)
> because for the same hundreds one would spend on a PowerPC component one
> can acquire either a new duo- or quad-core system which incorporates
> IBM's advances past the PowerPC/Cell era!
> 
> The independent individual when their system is broken cannot bother
> with the nuances of the superior architecture of the PowerPC/Cell
> because it is no longer a platform which they can work on instead one
> must face that it has become something which must be replaced if they
> are a student or even other professional experiencing various stages of
> financial stress where money is sparse.  Replacement for the
> professional is even more important in any attempt to keep one's skill
> set even close to current; again in such a scenario individual's cannot
> choose as easily as those associated with corporations and/or academic
> institutions or research centers.
> 
> Although I appreciate learning that Gentoo Linux (and others) are active
> in supporting the PowerPC the repairs I, and I'm sure others, need to
> make on the PowerPC one has are such that it is actually cheaper to
> acquire an x_86 system removing myself, and others similarly affected,
> from using any PowerPC Linux thereby causing in effect an ever smaller
> pool of PowerPC Linux users.
> 
> The financial realities are such that although I'm happy to learn that
> at least three distributions continue to develop for the PowerPC, the
> finances independent individuals face, who are not connected to research
> or academic or corporate institutions, are forcing a greater contraction
> of users away from PowerPC Linux.
> 
> Oddly enough support for Linux mobile systems via Android are growing,
> but that is a different technology platform entirely which doesn't
> matter to the independent individual whose system requires repairs.
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/9/2011 5:54 AM, nello martuscielli wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Atro Tossavainen
>> <atossava+ydl at cc.helsinki.fi> wrote:
>>>> There are no Linux distributions actively developing either for the
>>>> PowerPC or the Cell.  Linux has moved on to develop for multi-core Intel
>>>> and similar systems.
>>> 
>>> The recently released Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 continues to be
>>> supported on IBM POWER server architectures, which are "ppc".
>>> 
>>> This is of zero interest and no consequence to PowerPC workstation users,
>>> but it does invalidate the point that there would be no Linux distributions
>>> actively developing for the Power architecture.
>>> 
>> 
>> indeed, there are also Gentoo, CRUX PPC and Archlinux PPC.
>> 
>> 
>> cheers,
>> nell
>> --
>> Power Mac G4 AGP 450MHz - CRUX PPC (32bit) 2.7
> 
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