ydl2.2 on powermac 4400 how to install?
Peter Zechmeister
yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Wed, 8 May 2002 09:52:06 +0200
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I burnt the CD with WinOnCD5. First I used, what is called in German =
"Track Abbild" (burn the iso-track) bud I dunno wether this should work =
for mac too - the Mac did not start with it at least.
Then I tryed "PC+Mac(HFS) Data-CD", just copying all files from the =
first burnt CD (see above). Again - Mac did not boot with it.=20
I can not find a function in WinOnCD5 like "burn iso-track for Mac". =
There are bootable-options for Mac too, but they ask for a =
boot-partition or a boot-image file, which I do not have.
Maybe there is no way to burn this disk from a Windows-machine :-(
Better looking for a friend who has OSX and a diskwriter.
peter
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Alex Nonnemacher=20
To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: ydl2.2 on powermac 4400 how to install?
My only question for you, Peter, is, How did you burn the CD? G. =
Neault has written directions on how a burn must be done for it to be =
bootable; I'll include the link to his iTools drive, as well as the full =
text of that message below.
The reason I ask is, the procedure is specific. That is, you have to =
use Toast on Macs running Systems 8 or 9; OS X can burn bootable discs =
via Disk Copy, but there are *rules*.
Don't give up!
alex
http://homepage.mac.com/wollyworld/FileSharing1.html
How To create a Linux Install Disk for PPC-Linux in MacOS
Note: This document will refer to YellowDog Linux v2.1 as your =
PPC-compatible Linux distribution, for installation on an Apple =
Macintosh computer. The process is identical for any Linux distro which =
works on a Mac. We will be using tools from MacOS, so you will need (at =
a minimum) a bootable MacOS CD or MacOS installed on your computer.
What you need: An Apple Macintosh Power-PC based computer. The =
original MacOS Install CD or MacOS installed and running on the =
computer. A working Internet connection. A CDR drive and one blank CDR =
disk for each .iso (disk image) file (minimum: 1 disk).
Optional (required for OS9 and earlier): Roxio Toast Titanium (full =
version, not Toast Lite).
Background: Linux-PPC compiled distributions rely on standard Apple =
hardware conventions for a CD install. This means your Mac should be =
able to boot from a MacOS CD. As a general rule, there should be no =
problem here.
Very old Macintosh computers: Virtually all PowerPC Macs have a CD-ROM =
drive installed by Apple as new. Older 68000 series Macs generally do =
not. You should use a Linux distribution which will run on 68000 =
computers and follow the directions provided.
Mac-compatible clones: Some clones do not use CD-ROM drives =
manufactured with special chips Apple uses to insure a bootable CD will =
work. In this case, you may need the installation CD specific to your =
machine, where you will find 3rd party drivers you may need. There may =
be other installation and configuration issues with clones; although you =
may find this document useful, you should seek other information =
specific to your hardware before you go further.
How to test: If you know that your computer can run MacOS X, and it is =
not a clone, you can safely assume the CD is bootable. For earlier OS =
versions, place any MacOS install CD into your computer, and restart. =
When the computer first shuts down, press and hold the 'C' key on the =
keyboard. Do not release the key before you see the "Happy Mac" icon on =
your desktop. At this point, the Mac has found a valid System Folder, =
and you may release the key. Allow the computer to start up normally, =
and (if necessary) confirm that the OS is running from the CD. Normally =
the desktop background will be obviously different, a limited number of =
extensions will be loaded, or the System will be using an unusually low =
amount of memory. However, if you still aren't sure, try a simple test. =
For example, you could try to eject the CD; the Mac will refuse (and =
provide a warning dialog) if the computer is running from the System on =
the removable disk rather than a Hard Disk Drive-based System.
Get the ISO: Go to a Linux distro's download site, or another site (a =
"mirror") which has these files available. YellowDog Linux is available =
from: http://www.yellowdoglinux.com There may be a number of files =
available. You need to download a file which is named similar to: =
fuji-2.1-install.iso "fuji" is YellowDog Linux's code name for the 2.1 =
version of their Linux distro. "2.1" is the version number of this same =
distribution. "install.iso" tells you that this is the installation CD =
disk image. The file extension (.iso) is the most important part of the =
filename; it tells you that you are downloading a disk image suitable =
for CD burning. You may find folders or files named similar to: SRPMS =
These are source files for the Linux distribution. In general, you do =
not want to use these unless you are having certain special problems or =
you are an experienced Linux user (and probably don't need to be reading =
this).
Important: The Linux file you are downloading is not designed to be =
useable in MacOS. You should not attempt to view the file, mount it on =
your Mac desktop, or have a "helper application" do anything with the =
file after the download is complete. Leave it alone, for now.
Background: This file has information designed to insure the =
downloaded file is complete and uncorrupted, called a checksum. Opening =
it with MacOS, mounting it, or allowing a "helper application" to =
process it may alter the checksum. Later, this will cause the =
installation to fail.
Depending on your internet connection speed, the download may take =
hours or even days; it is approximately 650 megabytes and must be =
downloaded as a single continuous file. Many programs (including MS =
Internet Explorer v5) will allow you to resume a download if it is =
interrupted; still this may not always work correctly. If you later find =
that there are both installation problems and you had to resume the =
download often because of connection problems, you should seriously =
consider purchasing a CD from YellowDog Linux.
Burning the disk.
If you have MacOSX: You can use the utilities provided in MacOSX to =
burn the image. To do so, you must have OSX installed and running on =
your computer. You cannot access these programs from the OSX =
installation CD.
Important: You cannot use the "Burn Disk" command in the menu bar of =
OSX. Although it will work (as far as creating a disk goes) the =
resulting disk will not have the correct format to be useable in Linux.
Background: Linux Hard Disks, CDs, and other removable disks use a =
different format than MacOS (and other operating systems). Currently, =
Linux can mount, read and write to Apple's earlier file format, called =
Hierarchal File System (HFS, sometimes called HFS Standard). Like all =
older formatting, HFS has limits to disk size that were no problem many =
years ago but are easily exceeded by modern HD's and some removable =
media. Most PPC Mac users will format disks as HFS+ (note the "+" sign; =
sometimes called HFS Extended) because it uses disk space much more =
efficiently and allows very large drives. The Disk Burner application =
which actually does the work when you select "Burn Disk" can write to =
the Linux format (called ISO 9660) but can not write the older HFS =
format. Because we need the install CD to work with both MacOS (so that =
your Apple hardware can start up with this disk in the CD drive) and =
Linux, we need to use the older HFS format for the Mac file system on =
the install CD.
Burning in OSX: Go to the Utilities folder, found inside the =
Applications folder on your Mac OSX hard disk drive, where you should =
see the "Disk Copy" application. Double-click the Disk Copy app and it =
will open to a window which states " Drag a disk image here to mount =
it." IMPORTANT: Do not drag the iso image to the window. Instead, go to =
the Image menu and select: "Burn Image" (or, you can use the keyboard =
shortcut "Command-B"). Now, you will see the familiar "Open" dialog box, =
where you can go and select the Linux image file you downloaded. Disk =
Copy will then prompt you to insert a blank CDR and will proceed to burn =
the image file.
Background: Disk Copy will create an exact duplicate of the image file =
on the inserted CDR. Because this image is correctly formatted as =
HFS/ISO 9660, so will the CD it creates.
Burning in OS9, or when OSX is not installed on your computer: The =
version of Disk Copy which runs in Classic Mac Operating Systems does =
not have disk burning abilities; you will need Roxio Toast Titanium =
(full edition, not Lite). Refer to the Toast documentation for =
installation and use. Notes to insure a proper burn:
Launch Toast first. Select the "Other" button, and click-and-hold the =
mouse so the menu appears. Select "Disk Image". Drag the .iso file into =
the Toast window, and burn the disk (select "Record"). Insert a disk =
when prompted.
Notes: In both cases (using Disk Copy in OSX or Toast Titanium) do not =
insert a CDR disk prior to launching the application. If you do, you may =
be prompted to format the CDR by the finder; doing so may format the =
disk incorrectly. If you are asked to format the disk, simply eject it =
and launch one of the above applications instead.
Update: Toast Titanium 5.1 (OSX and Classic) supports creation of =
bootable disks. If Toast 5.1 is installed, you will have the option of =
launching Toast when you insert a blank CDR disk, even if Toast is not =
running. This is a new feature and is not supported in earlier versions =
of Toast or any version of Toast Lite.
This document may be revised from time to time. For the latest =
revision, check: http://homepage.mac.com/wollyworld/FileSharing1.html
Version: 1.1 =A9 2002 G. Neault. gordguide[nospam]@iname.com All =
rights reserved. Remove the [nospam] from eMail address if you have =
comments/suggestions.=20
On Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 05:22 , Peter Zechmeister wrote:
i have downloaded the rome-iso and burnt it on cd. now - as bloody =
newbie in
linux and mac too - i am even not able to do the first steps of =
installing
it.
i have mac os 8 on the machine, but i want to get rid of it =
completely,
because i only need linux on it.
is it possible to start the install-process by booting from this cd =
(with
the "c"-key)? i guess not, because there is no system-folder (or =
whatever)
on it.
beside that, i am not able to split the first and only partition =
from the
harddisk into two parts (i do not have the mac-os cd). is this =
necessary?
is succeeded in installing bootx on mac os 8, but after that, trying =
to boot
linux only leads to errors (missing second partition?).
is there a way to use any kind of start-disk on mac to get access to =
the
ydl-installation-cd, likely known from windows?
sorry for annoying you with foolish things like that, but i am at my =
wit`s
end...
peter
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I burnt the CD with WinOnCD5. First I =
used, what is=20
called in German "Track Abbild" (burn the iso-track) bud I dunno wether =
this=20
should work for mac too - the Mac did not start with it at =
least.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then I tryed "PC+Mac(HFS) Data-CD", =
just copying=20
all files from the first burnt CD (see above). Again - Mac did not boot =
with it.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can not find a function in WinOnCD5 =
like "burn=20
iso-track for Mac". There are bootable-options for Mac too, but they ask =
for a=20
boot-partition or a boot-image file, which I do not have.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe there is no way to burn this disk =
from a=20
Windows-machine :-(</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Better looking for a friend who =
has OSX and a=20
diskwriter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>peter</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dnonjo@comcast.net href=3D"mailto:nonjo@comcast.net">Alex=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 08, 2002 =
2:19=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: ydl2.2 on powermac =
4400 how=20
to install?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>My only question for you, Peter, is, How did you burn =
the CD?=20
G. Neault has written directions on how a burn must be done for it to =
be=20
bootable; I'll include the link to his iTools drive, as well as the =
full text=20
of that message below.<BR><BR>The reason I ask is, the procedure is =
specific.=20
That is, you have to use Toast on Macs running Systems 8 or 9; OS X =
can burn=20
bootable discs via Disk Copy, but there are *rules*.<BR><BR>Don't give =
=
up!<BR><BR>alex<BR><BR>http://homepage.mac.com/wollyworld/FileSharing1.ht=
ml<BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Geneva><?bigger><?bigger><BR><?/bigger><?/bigger>How=20
To create a Linux Install Disk for PPC-Linux in MacOS<BR><BR>Note: =
This=20
document will refer to YellowDog Linux v2.1 as your PPC-compatible =
Linux=20
distribution, for installation on an Apple Macintosh computer. The =
process is=20
identical for any Linux distro which works on a Mac. We will be using =
tools=20
from MacOS, so you will need (at a minimum) a bootable MacOS CD or =
MacOS=20
installed on your computer.<BR><BR>What you need: An Apple Macintosh =
Power-PC=20
based computer. The original MacOS Install CD or MacOS installed and =
running=20
on the computer. A working Internet connection. A CDR drive and one =
blank CDR=20
disk for each .iso (disk image) file (minimum: 1 =
disk).<BR><BR>Optional=20
(required for OS9 and earlier): Roxio Toast Titanium (full version, =
not Toast=20
Lite).<BR><BR>Background: Linux-PPC compiled distributions rely on =
standard=20
Apple hardware conventions for a CD install. This means your Mac =
should be=20
able to boot from a MacOS CD. As a general rule, there should be no =
problem=20
here.<BR><BR>Very old Macintosh computers: Virtually all PowerPC Macs =
have a=20
CD-ROM drive installed by Apple as new. Older 68000 series Macs =
generally do=20
not. You should use a Linux distribution which will run on 68000 =
computers and=20
follow the directions provided.<BR><BR>Mac-compatible clones: Some =
clones do=20
not use CD-ROM drives manufactured with special chips Apple uses to =
insure a=20
bootable CD will work. In this case, you may need the installation CD =
specific=20
to your machine, where you will find 3rd party drivers you may need. =
There may=20
be other installation and configuration issues with clones; although =
you may=20
find this document useful, you should seek other information specific =
to your=20
hardware before you go further.<BR><BR>How to test: If you know that =
your=20
computer can run MacOS X, and it is not a clone, you can safely assume =
the CD=20
is bootable. For earlier OS versions, place any MacOS install CD into =
your=20
computer, and restart. When the computer first shuts down, press and =
hold the=20
'C' key on the keyboard. Do not release the key before you see the =
"Happy Mac"=20
icon on your desktop. At this point, the Mac has found a valid System =
Folder,=20
and you may release the key. Allow the computer to start up normally, =
and (if=20
necessary) confirm that the OS is running from the CD. Normally the =
desktop=20
background will be obviously different, a limited number of extensions =
will be=20
loaded, or the System will be using an unusually low amount of memory. =
However, if you still aren't sure, try a simple test. For example, you =
could=20
try to eject the CD; the Mac will refuse (and provide a warning =
dialog) if the=20
computer is running from the System on the removable disk rather than =
a Hard=20
Disk Drive-based System.<BR><BR>Get the ISO: Go to a Linux distro's =
download=20
site, or another site (a "mirror") which has these files available. =
YellowDog=20
Linux is available from: http://www.yellowdoglinux.com There may be a =
number=20
of files available. You need to download a file which is named similar =
to:=20
fuji-2.1-install.iso "fuji" is YellowDog Linux's code name for the 2.1 =
version=20
of their Linux distro. "2.1" is the version number of this same =
distribution.=20
"install.iso" tells you that this is the installation CD disk image. =
The file=20
extension (.iso) is the most important part of the filename; it tells =
you that=20
you are downloading a disk image suitable for CD burning. You may find =
folders=20
or files named similar to: SRPMS These are source files for the Linux=20
distribution. In general, you do not want to use these unless you are =
having=20
certain special problems or you are an experienced Linux user (and =
probably=20
don't need to be reading this).<BR><BR>Important: The Linux file you =
are=20
downloading is not designed to be useable in MacOS. You should not =
attempt to=20
view the file, mount it on your Mac desktop, or have a "helper =
application" do=20
anything with the file after the download is complete. Leave it alone, =
for=20
now.<BR><BR>Background: This file has information designed to insure =
the=20
downloaded file is complete and uncorrupted, called a checksum. =
Opening it=20
with MacOS, mounting it, or allowing a "helper application" to process =
it may=20
alter the checksum. Later, this will cause the installation to=20
fail.<BR><BR>Depending on your internet connection speed, the download =
may=20
take hours or even days; it is approximately 650 megabytes and must be =
downloaded as a single continuous file. Many programs (including MS =
Internet=20
Explorer v5) will allow you to resume a download if it is interrupted; =
still=20
this may not always work correctly. If you later find that there are =
both=20
installation problems and you had to resume the download often because =
of=20
connection problems, you should seriously consider purchasing a CD =
from=20
YellowDog Linux.<BR><BR>Burning the disk.<BR><BR>If you have MacOSX: =
You can=20
use the utilities provided in MacOSX to burn the image. To do so, you =
must=20
have OSX installed and running on your computer. You cannot access =
these=20
programs from the OSX installation CD.<BR><BR>Important: You cannot =
use the=20
"Burn Disk" command in the menu bar of OSX. Although it will work (as =
far as=20
creating a disk goes) the resulting disk will not have the correct =
format to=20
be useable in Linux.<BR><BR>Background: Linux Hard Disks, CDs, and =
other=20
removable disks use a different format than MacOS (and other operating =
systems). Currently, Linux can mount, read and write to Apple's =
earlier file=20
format, called Hierarchal File System (HFS, sometimes called HFS =
Standard).=20
Like all older formatting, HFS has limits to disk size that were no =
problem=20
many years ago but are easily exceeded by modern HD's and some =
removable=20
media. Most PPC Mac users will format disks as HFS+ (note the "+" =
sign;=20
sometimes called HFS Extended) because it uses disk space much more=20
efficiently and allows very large drives. The Disk Burner application =
which=20
actually does the work when you select "Burn Disk" can write to the =
Linux=20
format (called ISO 9660) but can not write the older HFS format. =
Because we=20
need the install CD to work with both MacOS (so that your Apple =
hardware can=20
start up with this disk in the CD drive) and Linux, we need to use the =
older=20
HFS format for the Mac file system on the install CD.<BR><BR>Burning =
in OSX:=20
Go to the Utilities folder, found inside the Applications folder on =
your Mac=20
OSX hard disk drive, where you should see the "Disk Copy" application. =
Double-click the Disk Copy app and it will open to a window which =
states "=20
Drag a disk image here to mount it." IMPORTANT: Do not drag the iso =
image to=20
the window. Instead, go to the Image menu and select: "Burn Image" =
(or, you=20
can use the keyboard shortcut "Command-B"). Now, you will see the =
familiar=20
"Open" dialog box, where you can go and select the Linux image file =
you=20
downloaded. Disk Copy will then prompt you to insert a blank CDR and =
will=20
proceed to burn the image file.<BR><BR>Background: Disk Copy will =
create an=20
exact duplicate of the image file on the inserted CDR. Because this =
image is=20
correctly formatted as HFS/ISO 9660, so will the CD it =
creates.<BR><BR>Burning=20
in OS9, or when OSX is not installed on your computer: The version of =
Disk=20
Copy which runs in Classic Mac Operating Systems does not have disk =
burning=20
abilities; you will need Roxio Toast Titanium (full edition, not =
Lite). Refer=20
to the Toast documentation for installation and use. Notes to insure a =
proper=20
burn:<BR><BR>Launch Toast first. Select the "Other" button, and =
click-and-hold=20
the mouse so the menu appears. Select "Disk Image". Drag the .iso file =
into=20
the Toast window, and burn the disk (select "Record"). Insert a disk =
when=20
prompted.<BR><BR>Notes: In both cases (using Disk Copy in OSX or Toast =
Titanium) do not insert a CDR disk prior to launching the application. =
If you=20
do, you may be prompted to format the CDR by the finder; doing so may =
format=20
the disk incorrectly. If you are asked to format the disk, simply =
eject it and=20
launch one of the above applications instead.<BR><BR>Update: Toast =
Titanium=20
5.1 (OSX and Classic) supports creation of bootable disks. If Toast =
5.1 is=20
installed, you will have the option of launching Toast when you insert =
a blank=20
CDR disk, even if Toast is not running. This is a new feature and is =
not=20
supported in earlier versions of Toast or any version of Toast=20
Lite.<BR><BR>This document may be revised from time to time. For the =
latest=20
revision, check:=20
http://homepage.mac.com/wollyworld/FileSharing1.html<BR><BR>Version: =
1.1 =A9=20
2002 G. Neault. gordguide[nospam]@iname.com All rights reserved. =
Remove the=20
[nospam] from eMail address if you have comments/suggestions.=20
<?/fontfamily><BR>On Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 05:22 , Peter =
Zechmeister=20
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>i have downloaded the rome-iso and burnt it on cd. now - =
as=20
bloody newbie in<BR>linux and mac too - i am even not able to do the =
first=20
steps of installing<BR>it.<BR>i have mac os 8 on the machine, but i =
want to=20
get rid of it completely,<BR>because i only need linux on it.<BR>is =
it=20
possible to start the install-process by booting from this cd =
(with<BR>the=20
"c"-key)? i guess not, because there is no system-folder (or =
whatever)<BR>on=20
it.<BR>beside that, i am not able to split the first and only =
partition from=20
the<BR>harddisk into two parts (i do not have the mac-os cd). is =
this=20
necessary?<BR>is succeeded in installing bootx on mac os 8, but =
after that,=20
trying to boot<BR>linux only leads to errors (missing second=20
partition?).<BR><BR>is there a way to use any kind of start-disk on =
mac to=20
get access to the<BR>ydl-installation-cd, likely known from=20
windows?<BR><BR>sorry for annoying you with foolish things like =
that, but i=20
am at my=20
=
wit`s<BR>end...<BR><BR>peter<BR><BR>_____________________________________=
__________<BR>yellowdog-newbie=20
mailing=20
=
list<BR>yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com<BR>http://lists.ter=
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