yellowdog-newbie digest, Vol 1 #460 - Message 4 + 5

[Derick Centeno]

There is an interesting story with these two messages and the group of
people they represent.  First, there is a confusion between developed
products such as Anaconda by companies such as TerraSoft Solutions and
what is defined as Open Source.  You can't blame them really as even now
SCO is confused enough to actually trying to consider suing every Linux
user because they believe that Linux Open Source code, including KDE and
Gnome, WindowMaker and others is actually their own UNIX code.

As a pure Scorpio, whose ruler is Mars, I enjoy a really good fray and
will glady pick up some hot dogs and popcorn, cheer and egg on all sides
and watch everything go BOOM!  But I also have some compassion like,
Shiva, another God of War, does and have some sense to not enjoy an
utterly useless and nonsensical effort.  At least, I remember being told
I had compassion; OK, maybe I don't.

First Scott.  
Sir, you cannot sincerely expect work (graphical interfaces) such as the
graphical interface which installs YDL to appear willy nilly on SUSE
Linux supporting a 386 box!!  The closest you may have come to that kind
of support would have been purchasing the Red Hat version of Linux,
which at least YDL utilizes to some extent. 

Scott and Angela
You both really have no idea what Operating Systems you are dealing
with.  Your comments reveal how really innocent both of you really are
(regarding this subject), and although this is a new users list.  Even
new users should have read or be studying what Unix and Linux and Mac OS
X are.  Stated in one sentence, from Mac OS X forward, ALL Macs using OS
X, are defined as using a standard of Unix, known as BSD Unix which is
SUPERIOR and MORE STABLE than any Linux version.  As ALL such defined
Macs are UNIX boxes essentially that means the command line is available
at all times to the user that has researched sufficiently well on how to
access and utilize it.  The command line interface which Mac OS X, all
Linux, and all other Unix's are built around is way way superior to
anything DOS is capable of.  It is because DOS has severe, systemic,
performance and security limitations that Unix was developed in the
first place.  Which means there are unimagined possible utilities to be
yet developed for the common masses via Open Source which, yes, ANY
Unix, including Mac OS X, can take advantage of.  This also means that
the Mac OS is now more stable than any version of DOS or the Microsoft
OS, can ever hope to be.  

By fact and by studies, (yes, you can find these studies published in
the net from time to time) Unix servers and workstations NEVER crash or
fail.  The best answer Microsoft has to that is to copy back the prior
state of the Microsoft OS prior TO whatever made it crash.  This is all
public information; everyone "knows" this stuff.  

So, Scott, why are you using a German repackaged Linux when Linux was
developed in the US?  I will admit to being tempted myself, all that
spiffy talk of German engineering and such.  But you, like Angela, went
over to the PC, so why are you here?? To Lament??  Sing Auld Lang Syne??

Switching to Linux is great, switching to Linux on a 386 or higher
acceptable (we could discuss code snippets, widgets, all sorts of
stuff), but switching to Microsoft OS on any PC is just plain silly!!
You did know that customer support for most PC vendors could be in
Russia,Britain or Ireland or even India or Pakistan!  Also as PCs have a
very low level of standardization to the point that many times the
floppy drive of one machine can't read the format created from its
neighbor produced by the same company; and chips and other components
fail from time to time (this happens to EVERY company, amazing how many
people don't know that), even so you are very much on your own seeking
support.  It may interest you to know, although it may be little
comfort, that Apple has consistently remained number 1 in overall design
and engineering.  How hard is that?  Very...

Again, both of you are now using PCs and/or have not done your Linux or
Unix homework.  So why are you here?  I am sure you will not enjoy the
dry and often incomprehensible writing which engineers typically engage
in on a regular basis, assuming knowledge which most non-engineers do
not have... Too bad... welcome to the world, no the Universe that is
Unix and scientific programming.  And let's not forget Math; not those
silly magic number boxes of the middle ages but truth tables and
advanced calculus as starting points.  After all, serious explorers of
the universe can't get by on just the math Pythagoras knew.  Get your
dictionary, various library references together with your thinking caps
on folks because you, and every other "newbie", including myself,  is in
for what I heard one movie character say, "Get ready for a World of
Pain!  Sweet, Beautiful and Wonderful Pain!!"  

After you've done that don't forget to explore CPU design principles and
understand, as best you can, the differences and advantages of RISC v.
CISC design; then you'll appreciate and know that, if not how to
utilize, the power of either Intel's or Motorola's CPU is something
truly awesome.  After that study you should be settled on staying either
with an Intel or Risc box or even Sun or other system as a personal
workstation, and you'll know why you will have chosen it from as close
to an engineers perspective without being an engineer.  As opposed to
hype heard on TV or the local sales outlet or "friend" or "relative".  

Of course, one could close one's eyes to the challenge of real science
and reality in particular and become like Pramahansa Yogi (author of The
Bhagavadgita: As It Is) who as a meditation master announced that space
travel was a useless activity as had had traveled throughout the
Universe and been to the Moon already.  He announced that the Moon was
made of Diamonds...  Of course, being proven wrong after the first Moon
landing didn't matter to him.  He died insisting modern science didn't
have the "correct information".  One can't live that kind of life of
course and be current regarding science and operating systems.

Come On, Step Up And Beyond Weeniehood!!!

On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:00, -- 
> D. Scott Moore, Bass Trombone
> Music Department
> Gustavus Adolphus College
> Saint Peter, Minnesota 56082
> (507) 933-6260
> smoore@gustavus.edu
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 4
> From: "D. Scott Moore" <smoore@gustavus.edu>
> To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> Subject: What a Weenie
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:42:44 -0500
> Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> 
> Maybe I have been spoiled by my recent success with SuSE 8.2 for 386 machines, 
> but I miss the graphical software installer on my YDL 3.0 machine.  How do we 
> install more packages from the CDs?  Must we use the command line?
> -- 
> D. Scott Moore, Bass Trombone
> Music Department
> Gustavus Adolphus College
> Saint Peter, Minnesota 56082
> (507) 933-6260
> smoore@gustavus.edu
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 5
> From: Angela Kahealani <angela@kahealani.com>
> Organization: ANGELA KAHEALANI
> To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com,
> 	"D. Scott Moore" <smoore@gustavus.edu>
> Subject: Re: What a Weenie
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:52:51 -1000
> Reply-To: yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> 
> On Thu, 2003-05-15 16:42, D. Scott Moore wrote:
> > Maybe I have been spoiled by my recent success with SuSE 8.2 for 386
> > machines, 
> 
> ...and your recent multiposting on the newdogs list...
> complete with inappropriate Subject: line too.
> 
> > but I miss the graphical software installer on my YDL 3.0
> > machine.  
> 
> well, maybe you left the .iso around...
> but most likely the installer is on a CD, not on your machine.
> 
> > How do we install more packages from the CDs?  
> 
> That is correct. These would be Install CD 1, Install CD 2...
> 
> > Must we use the command line?
> 
> No, you can adopt an OS that fails to provide one... like Mac.