partitioning questions
Derick Centeno
aguilarojo at verizon.net
Wed Aug 10 04:38:56 MDT 2005
Er, Dave. I really hadn't finished working on a response to your last
question. I was hoping that I would have time to research a few things
before I answered that one.
And now, well..., this.
Dave, it's not good. In short, one of the answers I was commenting
upon was why copy programs are always those I stay away from. They
tend to create nonsensical readings like this which you just posted.
And to address your NEW question, I'll comment that even you notice
that the values can't possibly be those of an 80G drive. I'm glad that
you got something of YDL working but that is not enough the whole
installation is supported by a logical "stack of cards" which I'm not
sure why it works, but I know it should not be working like that.
Meanwhile I'm not finished or ready to address the results of your
enthusiasm to forge ahead. So if you don't mind, I'll call attention
to your situation to other's whose background and skills are at a very
much different level than mine and whom may be able to address your
concerns at a pace which matches your drive. Don't do another thing
until you hear from them, ok?
Dr. Joseph Sacco. PAGING DR. SACCO. YOUR ASSISTANCE ON THE NEWBIE
LIST IS REQUESTED. PAGING DR. SACCO...
His Lordship Owen Stampflee. Lord Stampflee, please attend...
The Honorable Illuminatus Norberto. Please, your assistance is
requested.
Lords. Learned Gentlemen All.
Please assist this newbie... I was still considering one of his recent
questions when he, via his enthusiasm, found himself into plunging
ahead into this current woeful state.
He doesn't realize that he has nearly perfectly repeated the same
errors he reported to the newbie list back on August 8th!
Nor did I expect that such an event would occur.
As I am already working on a previous question which he posted; would
you kindly offer your views here.
It is still possible to assist him before the condition declines
further.
It really can be done, if you so deign.
What follows below is for your examination so that you may follow what
proceeded this current situation.
Derick :-)
On Aug 10, 2005, at 2:00 AM, David Froseth wrote:
> Hi again Derick,
> I tried intalling YDL 4.0.1 and it worked!!! I have the whole KDE
> desktop working and internet, too! Thanks for the help! I have
> wanted to try linux for a long time.
> Still the Disk Utility picture in OS X looks strange:
>
> _______________________
> Untitled 512 MB
> _______________________
> Free Space 18.05 GB
>
> _______________________
> OS X 50.56 GB
>
> _______________________
> Untitled 18.05 GB
> _______________________
> Free Space 50.68 GB
>
> _______________________
> OS 9.2.2 5.29 GB
> _______________________
>
> The list to the left of this also reads:
>
> disk0s10
> OS X
> disk0s12
> OS 9.2.2
>
> Is this normal? This looks very strange to me. The GB amounts also
> add up to way more than a 80 gig drive can hold. Thanks for any
> input. And thanks again for the help.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> David Froseth wrote:
>
>> Derick,
>> I have finally got what I think is a good bootable backup of my OS
>> X & 9 HD, using DiskWarrior and Carbon Copy Cloner. I think some of
>> my last YDL partitioning problems came from trying to copy to and
>> swap a new hard drive into my laptop without ever doing any disk
>> maintenance. A little knowledge can give you enough confidence to
>> get into big trouble. Then you really learn something! I think my
>> original HD was so gummed up with borken permissions and directories
>> that the copy hard drive I installed in my computer was a mess. I
>> think YDL and all other Linux distros could start by telling people
>> that if they plan on a partitioned multi-os system then clean up the
>> os's on the existing partitions. Do a disk first aid operation.
>> I don't think you should attemt to install YDL untill you have
>> mastered how to make a bootable clone of your OS X hard drive. I
>> could be way off on this, maybe it doesn't matter. But, I have spent
>> a week getting my new hard drive and all of my OS X programs working
>> again. I eventually deleted my fink /sw file and I am now reloading
>> all of those programs. Having to relearn all of the fink stuff again
>> is good. I also have gained a much deeper and valuable understanting
>> of the underpinings of unix based os's by struggling with a fried
>> hard drive (actually 3 fried hard drives). Luckily I did not lose
>> any important data.
>> I read the YDL 2.2 guide and that made the process much more
>> understandable. Thanks for the advice. In trying my next attempt to
>> install YDL, I got to this point and had some questions:
>>
>> Hard Drives
>> /dev/hda
>> /dev/hda9 Apple Bootstrap 1
>> 2 4
>> /dev/hda10 swap 512
>> 4 1045
>> /dev/hda12 / ext3
>> 18487 1045 38605
>> /dev/hda11 hfs
>> 51769 38605 143786
>> /dev/hda13 hfs
>> 5422 144046 155061
>>
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> Why does the OS X and OS 9 partitions have the number hda11 and
>> hda13? Why does the numbering start so high and why is 12 skipped by
>> OSX and OS 9?
>> Where are hda1 - hda8?
>> Is hda12 going to be physically placed between hda11 and hda13? The
>> picture at the top of the window looked right. The order of the
>> Start and End points seems to be right, except for the gap between
>> hda11 and hda13's start/end points - 143786,144046. What does that
>> mean?
>> Should hda11 and hda13 say hfs+?
>>
>> I hope all of these little detail questions are relevent. Asking
>> questions about little details can help with the big picture. Any
>> advice you feel like giving would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> Derick Centeno wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dave:
>>> Here is a link to a TSS page which you really do want to read before
>>> going any farther:
>>>
>>> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/installation/
>>> guide2.2.shtml#install
>>>
>>> Red Hat is useful sometimes but remember they couldn't care less
>>> about OS 9 or other non-PC partitioning schemes so the likely hood
>>> of you finding anything other than references to detailed
>>> applications in Linux is really, really remote. In other words,
>>> you are in a Apple PowerPC universe and those are the only
>>> references which are going to be helpful. If you wish to learn
>>> about details regarding creating mount points within Linux and so
>>> on that is fine to use Red Hat but they will not tell you what a
>>> MacOS partition looks like within Linux using any application like
>>> pdisk or parted (partition editor). The page I found, created by
>>> TSS the makers of YDL, will! That's what you need.
>>>
>>> Attention: Although the page refers to YDL 2.2, the partitioning and
>>> mount point instructions are consistent across all versions of YDL
>>> for Macs. This will continue until Apple finally actually switches
>>> to Intell and then everyone must consider to either stay with
>>> PowerPC systems and move up to Genesi/Pegasos hardware or follow
>>> Apple or just throw up one's hands and use PCs or Sun's or whatever
>>> else is out there. May a HAL 2000 anyone? :-)
>>>
>>> Oh yes... I forgot. After Apple switches to Intel, then maybe Red
>>> Hat may show an interest in serving the users of the New Intel
>>> based Macs who also want to use Linux.
>>> That however will be a different list, probably not this one.
>>>
>>> Best wishes...
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2005, at 5:03 PM, David Froseth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Derick for the quick response. It helped. From now on I
>>>> will only do this critical setup manually. More questions. I
>>>> understand that the untitled spaces are linux partitions that OS X
>>>> does not recognize. Initially when I tried to manually input the
>>>> partition info I was asked for a mount point. The manual
>>>> partitioning would not continue unless I fill this in. Page 5 of
>>>> the "A Companion to Install YDL" does not tell you what to do. I
>>>> want to make sure I use up all of the free space and also put the
>>>> linux partitions in front of the OS X and OS 9 partitions. Any
>>>> explaination on how to control the spot on the hard drive where
>>>> the partitions reside? Thanks for any advice. I found some disk
>>>> druid tutorials on the net which are geared to Red Hat, I will
>>>> study them to see if I can figure this out more. Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
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