Parition Problem on G3 Installtion

[Stephen Ko]

After hours of wrestling with the partition issue, I finally installed
YDL on 200GB HD. Parition was taken care of by Ubuntu installation.
Once that was done I was  able to freely modify the partition table
using disk druid. I followed the YDL installation guide regarding the
partition scheme: 1. Apple BootStrap (hda1) 2. Swap(hda2) 3. /(root)
at hda3.

I am also happy to report that all of 200GB is available for usage.

Thanks all to who responded to my original message :-)
Stephen.

On 1/13/06, Collin O'Neill <coneill at pobox.com> wrote:
>  I'm interested to know if you tried either parted or fdisk and what errors
> or results did it give you?  Did they still spit back only 30G (or 32G I
> think is the old hardware limit) of space? I have to agree I've found Ubuntu
> to be more forgiving with older hardware - both on the Mac and Wintel
> hardware. But YDL/Fedora/Red Hat's just easier to manage for servers,
> particularly with the great Yellowdog Update Manager.
>
>  -C
>
>  Stephen Ko wrote:
>  I just couldn't figure out a way to partition the HD with YDL but the
> good news is that I popped in Ubuntu disc and it partitioned it for me
> without a hitch. Now I just have one more question, what boot command
> do I need to use to enable network install instead of using the CDROM?
>
> Thank you again,
> Stephen.
>
> On 1/13/06, Derick Centeno <aguilarojo at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi Olaf:
> Not everyone is so generous as to share the humorous side of being in a
> relationship. I had to read what you wrote several times before I
> realized I was reading something which surely would have been included
> in an episode of "I Love Lucy" if the show were updated for the modern
> era.
>
> You probably already have an idea that Apple's software didn't and
> doesn't partition the complete 80G without leaving some of it unused.
> Whatever the largest portion is used could be the top end of what a G3
> can understand. Without going through a long protracted 20 questions
> game, merely request temporary/time-limited root access say for 10
> minutes or access which allows you to invoke sudo. This being possible
> you should have no trouble with running pdisk under sudo.
>
> Here's how it worked under Panther:
>
> arakus:~ aguilarojo$ sudo pdisk /dev/rdisk0 -dump
> /dev/rdisk0 map block size=512
>  #: type name length
> base ( size )
>  1: Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1
>  2: Apple_Free Extra 262144 @ 64
> (128.0M)
>  3: Apple_HFS Apple_HFS_Untitled_2 147640832 @ 262208
> ( 70.4G)
>  4: Apple_HFS eDrive 8398432 @ 147903040 (
> 4.0G)
>  5: Apple_Free Extra 16 @
> 156301472
>
> Device block size=512, Number of Blocks=156301488
> DeviceType=0x0, DeviceId=0x0
>
> arakus:~ aguilarojo$
>
> The command in Linux would be similar; there may not be a dump command.
>  You could always do pdisk -h or man pdisk or info pdisk for help. You
> probably already know about pdisk and the above however, this is all
> just a prelude to getting the information regarding how the large
> (200G) disk is partitioned so that the top limit of G3 firmware can be
> verified/discovered in a quick and convenient, ready at hand manner.
> If it is such that going through whatever process ... is not worth it,
> then consider that the subject could become an essential one as you
> continue to use the G3 ... you may need to look this matter up
> regarding what that top limit is. This is exactly the kind of
> information which gets harder to find as time moves forward and could
> be a useful clue regarding when it may be time to move beyond the G3.
>
> Best wishes...
>
> On Jan 13, 2006, at 1:14 AM, Olaf Olson wrote:
>
>
>
>  I have a G3 B&W, with two drives. One is 80 Gb and the other is 200Gb.
> The 200 Gb is partitioned into two smaller pieces (It's my wife's
> machine and she won't let me look to see exactly what the sizes are).
> I don't think this is what's causing the problem. Even then, it sounds
> like Stephen is installing on a blank disk. The installer should be
> able to specify how to partition the entire disk and doesn't need
> anything else to decide what to do with it, unless...
>
> Was the drive already partitioned, using the apple utilities? Even if
> you are planning to erase the entire drive, in favor of a complete YDL
> installation and takeover of the drive, the section of the drive
> you're intending to use must be labeled as unused disk space, in order
> for the installer to deal with it. At least, that's what YDL 3.0
> required. I suspect that 4 will do the same. I admit that I haven't
> upgraded, yet.
>
> Olaf
>
> Derick Centeno wrote:
>
>
>
>  My memory regarding the G3 is a bit fuzzy but I do recall reading
> somewhere that the G3 cannot recognize drives large drives ranging
> beyond 30G. This is a limitation of the firmware and so there will
> always be misinformation regarding what it sees and understands. The
> work around is to treat huge drives such as you are working with and
> paritition them so that they are within a range that G3 systems are
> familiar with -- the size of the drives which were in existence when
> the G3 was in it's prime. It may turn out that 30G may be that
> optimal size, which means that the G3 could be helped to be more
> efficient by partitioning the 200G drive into chunks 30G wide.
>
> A waste of a hard drive certainly, but older systems have an upper
> bound limit which they are comfortable with.
>
> This is something to consider if Collin's solution doesn't pan out or
> work in solving your difficulty.
>
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