yellowdog-newbie Digest, Vol 21, Issue 13
Juan R.Leon
meshica7 at verizon.net
Tue May 30 16:39:47 MDT 2006
Derek,Robert,
Thank you so much for the extensive amount of great help that you have
offered!Looks like I have some work to do this weekend.
Robert,I am downloading the Ubuntu Desktop install as I type this..
Derek, you wrote about considerations that I had not been aware of.
Particularly when it comes to the modem.And the links that you provided
are invaluable.
I am a little familiar with Linux in that I have installed a version
using Virtual PC.The instal was pretty straight forward.Let's see if I
have the same results with YDL or any of the other Power PC versions.
I will keep you informed!
Thanx again.This is a wonderful support group. ;^)
Juan
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> 1. Re: Newbie Needs Help! (Robert Nuzum)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:31:31 -0400
> From: Robert Nuzum <rnuzum at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Newbie Needs Help!
> To: Discussion List for New Yellow Dog Linux Users
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> Have you tried Ubuntu? It works well on my eMac. It can be installed
> from here:http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperrc
> Make sure you use the power pc version (ppc) not windows. For YDL you
> need the most recent yellowdog 4.1 .
> I've used both and prefer ubuntu which allows you to use kde or gnome.
> Hope this helps.
> Bob
>
> On May 28, 2006, at 12:56 AM, Juan R.Leon wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>> I am so newbie that I need help in knowing what to download and
>> install on a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth. I checked out the various YDL
>> mirrors but it looks like hieroglyphics to me!What exactly do I
>> need to download? Is any one up to providing me with some discs?
>> Please excuse the naive questions,this is very new to me.
>> Thanx!
>> Juan
>>
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> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 18:54:10 -0400
> From: Derick Centeno <aguilarojo at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Newbie Needs Help!
> To: YDL Newbie <yellowdog-newbie at lists.terrasoftsolutions.com>
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> Greetings Juan:
> First off, some precautions. Before you download or try anything get
> into the habit of seeing if the software you are interested in (which
> in this situation is the current YDL operating system) even runs on the
> machine you have. Fortunately, TSS provides a means of doing just
> that. Click on the link:
>
> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/hardware/breakdown/
> index.php?hw_cat_id=6
>
> And scroll down to where your computer is listed. You should notice
> several things:
> 1. Information regarding the video card you have installed and how YDL
> runs with that card.
> For details click upon the phrase "Video information", which
> appears in blue without the quotes, of course.
>
> 2. Notice that although the internal soft modem is NOT supported,
> links to downloading UNSUPPORTED modem drivers which may work are
> provided. In order to access these drivers click upon the word "here"
> highlighted in blue -- without the quotes. As you do so, you will be
> taken to another website where you may follow the directions there.
> However, even if you follow all the directions there is no guarantee
> that the drivers found there will in fact work for you.
>
> Consider it more on the order of, "they should work". Note that the
> recommendation is that you purchase a USB modem, if your softmodem (or
> internal modem) is not seen or recognized by YDL. Note that because
> the
> internal modem is unsupported, your resort to assistance is limited to
> coming to these lists here or anywhere else on the net gathering
> whatever information you can. For the sake of fairness, downloading
> and
> installing drivers is not as much work as other rather sophisticated
> demands Linux places upon users, but it is perhaps unfair to expect a
> complete newbie to engage in such a process.
>
> Refer to this link regarding modems, just to get an idea:
> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-2.html
>
> How can you determine whether your modem is seen by YDL or not?
> Once your YDL system is up and running and you can login and choose a
> particular desktop -- for this example, we will choose Gnome. The
> enter
> your user name and password and then you will be brought into the
> standard Gnome desktop environment. Look for the yellow on blue image
> of a dog, this is your desktop menu. Click upon it and look for a
> label
> called System Settings, from there move onto select a label called
> Network. This will open a Dialog Box where you will be asked for the
> password used by the System Administrator -- this is the same password
> which is the password for root. Once this is done then something
> appears called Network Configuration with a group of tabs and it's own
> menu. Click upon the Hardware tab. Click upon the icon New; this
> brings up a new dialog box called Choose Hardware Type. You will first
> see:
>
> Hardware type: Wireless
>
> following the last s will be a wide v which is intended to be a
> downward
> pointing arrow. Press that arrow, it signifies a pop-up where other
> options... pop-up. Move the cursor over the selections and choose
> Modem. Now you should see:
>
> Hardware type: Modem
>
> Now click on Ok. You will see a dialog box appear called Modem
> configuration. Note that each option offers pop-ups.
>
> You are now more familiar with the use of Network Configuration. This
> is the same dialog box one will have to get to to configure or set up
> the Ethernet port so that YDL can communicate over DSL. The difference
> is that when you select the Hardware tab Linux should immediately find
> the Ethernet hardware within your machine and you should see it
> associated with eth0 as your device of Type Ethernet. Under the
> Devices
> tab you should see:
> Profile Status Device Nickname Type
> Inactive eth0 eth0 Ethernet
>
> All you need do is make sure Profile has a check under it; then click
> on
> the word Activate and as far as Linux is concerned you can start up
> your
> browser of choice and complete the process of logging onto or
> registration with your broadband provider through that browser.
> You can also use that same browser to configure or setup the router or
> wireless router provided by the broadband ISP.
>
> You could get around the problem of configuring or setting up your
> modem
> entirely if you can afford either DSL or other high speed internet. In
> such a situation you don't need a modem at all, you use your Ethernet
> port which accepts an Ethernet cable connected to either a DSL or other
> high speed device. This option will save you time and the details of
> working through modem details few utilize any more -- it depends upon
> your needs and what fits you best. Consider also that some companies
> will say, like Verizon, that they don't support Linux. That doesn't
> mean that you can't use Linux with their DSL service, but rather they
> can't or won't help you link YDL (the version of Linux you use) to
> their
> DSL or other highspeed networks.
>
> Why was the above discussion necessary?
> It turns out that some ISP's offer prices very close to the same
> pricing
> as those services called dial-up services which require the use of a
> modem. The top speed of the modem is 56K, by U.S. law. At that rate
> you can easily spend 6-8 hours downloading just one file needed with
> which to burn the first install CD. There are 4 such files which
> need to be downloaded, and checked that they are entirely free of error
> -- this is done via using an md5sum check before one creates or burns
> the CDs. It is after the CDs have been created then one can begin with
> the installation process. CD's today are pretty inexpensive. However,
> if you don't know the details I've explained, you cannot easily turn
> the
> fact of inexpensive CD's into something which works for you.
>
> In considering the vast amount of time using dial-up technology
> consumes
> it should become a bit clearer why broadband services are appearing
> more
> reasonable. The slowest DSL available from Verizon cuts the download
> of
> one file discussed above to just under 3 hours. If you can afford to
> pay for more, the same file download time can be cut down to just
> slightly under 1; there are faster rates at a higher pay rate of
> course.
>
> Not all files are that huge but some programs and projects remain large
> and seem to be getting larger (and therefore requiring more time to
> download). The download time doesn't even include the setup procedures
> necessary to build, or modify the application for use on your system.
> It could be that an application exists which you want to use running
> within a Linux environment on an Intel machine. You will then either
> hope that someone created a binary of that program for use on your
> PowerPC -- if that doesn't exist you will have to learn to create your
> own version on your own. This skill is called building an application
> from source.
>
> Let's say for the sake of discussion that a working version of YDL
> exists already. You have a DSL connection and you can access the net.
> How do you keep your system updated? Well, that is where a program
> called yum comes in. Yum does the heavy work for you such as finding
> where on Earth the programs you are looking for are, what they need to
> function and many other really neat things. However, discussing yum is
> a separate subject.
>
> I may have provided a wee bit too much information, but once you've
> selected or narrowed down what it is you need or researched a little
> further regarding Linux System Administration (several books exist on
> this subject) you'll see that all I really did is cover general
> fundamentals since your plea was a bit general in the first place.
>
> The Linux Documentation Project is a great Linux resource to have as a
> newbie.
> Check them out here: http://www.tldp.org/
>
> Best of Luck....
>
>> On May 28, 2006, at 12:56 AM, Juan R.Leon wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> I am so newbie that I need help in knowing what to download and
>>> install on a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth. I checked out the various YDL
>>> mirrors but it looks like hieroglyphics to me!What exactly do I need
>>> to download? Is any one up to providing me with some discs?Please
>>> excuse the naive questions,this is very new to me.
>>> Thanx!
>>> Juan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yellowdog-newbie mailing list
>>> yellowdog-newbie at lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>>> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie
>>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:45:31 -0400
> From: Derick Centeno <aguilarojo at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Newbie Needs Help! - Part 2
> To: Discussion List for New Yellow Dog Linux Users
> <yellowdog-newbie at lists.terrasoftsolutions.com>
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> Hi Juan:
> I'll enter into some details here which I didn't cover previously.
>
> Of the various reasons to go to a YDL mirror, three are the most
> common:
>
> 1. To download files called iso's. They have that name because
> regardless what their names actually are they all in with the suffix
> .iso!
> These can be large or small but they always must be downloaded
> first and then burned onto a CD. They can be downloaded and burned
> from within either the Mac OS or from within YDL. Here are the links
> to the details on how to do that from within each OS:
>
> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/resources/downloads.shtml
>
> 2. One wants to modify yum.conf so that the application called yum can
> access as many mirrors as one finds useful, install whatever is needed
> so that a desired application or set of applications are available for
> use as quickly as possible. Here is a decent resource for your
> consideration:
>
> http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_article/yum_article/
> node19.html
>
> 3. One needs to compile an application from source. Source within
> computer science circles is considered to be instructions which are
> designed by a human for a computer to execute. Source (also known as
> code) can utilize a variety of languages formally used within computer
> science for that purpose: C, C++, FORTRAN, COBOL, BASIC, and so on.
> Open source refers not to the computer language however, but to how the
> code is utilized in practice; open source is intended to be shared and
> viewed any by and all persons.
> Closed source refers to code owned by an individual or company; in
> short, proprietary. Between Open and Closed source there also exists a
> range of possible distinctions. One should read carefully the
> distinctions mentioned in the software one uses because in general
> using software means you agree to be bound by the definitions of the
> company or individual who designed it.
>
> Consider the now legendary legal case initiated by SCO Unix claiming
> that Unix code was stolen and utilized within Linux. Without getting
> into the details which one can read for oneself elsewhere, get into the
> practice of ensuring that the software used on your Linux system is in
> fact strictly open source or following a version of open source (also
> known as GPL - General Public License) as closely as possible. Within
> the Open Source community there exists contributions of amazing
> applications from individuals, groups, and even private companies and
> even from the US government! Some of these efforts or contributions
> are considered to be known as Projects as the complexity of the
> application includes many features and utilities. However, as long as
> they are open source or follow the GPL or a reasonable version of it;
> you should have no difficulty regarding your right to have, use it or
> modify it as you please -- as long as any changes you make doesn't
> remove it from being an open source product/project.
>
> 4. One wants to study the source of a particular application. This is
> one of the most valuable aspects of the open source community effort.
> Everyone can learn something from such study as few are experts in
> everything. Consider that the standard languages available for use
> within YDL include C, C++ and FORTRAN and a handful of others. C and
> C++ are used more commonly and so it is useful to become well versed in
> recognizing, correcting, and writing programs in those languages. One
> can read books and educate oneself or attend standard academic computer
> science courses.
>
> Recall that regarding CDs I already mentioned that blank CDs can be
> acquired today from nearly any local music or computer store, even some
> pharmacy chains such as CVS or Duane Reade or others. Again acquiring
> them is not the real problem; the other factors such as knowing how to
> save your time and knowledge effectively is the challenge for us all.
> In that sense, the "playing field" is rather equal.
>
> Best wishes.....
>
> On May 28, 2006, at 12:56 AM, Juan R.Leon wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>> I am so newbie that I need help in knowing what to download and
>> install on a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth. I checked out the various YDL
>> mirrors but it looks like hieroglyphics to me!What exactly do I need
>> to download? Is any one up to providing me with some discs?Please
>> excuse the naive questions,this is very new to me.
>> Thanx!
>> Juan
>>
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Thanx!
Juan
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