Macbook pro

Fri Feb 1 04:11:01 MST 2008

I appreciate your help Derick. Thanks alot. And of course you're right, we
are in a constant learning and it definitly would be a challenge for me, as
someone always wanting to learn a lot more. Whatever difficulties may come
I'll work them out.

Cheers.

On Feb 1, 2008 3:35 AM, Derick Centeno <aguilarojo at gmail.com> wrote:

> My comments follow yours for clarity.
>
> On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Edward Montfoort wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the info so far. So it definitly would be possible to run
> Linux as the only OS on a macbook pro for what I can understand?.
>
>
> Sure.  Just decide which Linux you want to run on your Intel computer.
>  Understand that each version of Linux for example Fedora, Debian or
> Slackware have their unique instructions on how to do this.  Some versions
> of Linux can each be developed in such a way to run from a USB drive!  Way
> cool, for taking over an Intel box and making it do what you want.  Don't
> kid yourself though, each step in the process is a good deal of work.
>
> Remember also that although the programming skills needed to program
> either the Intel or PowerPC/Cell are similar their application within each
> processor requires a sophisticated and clear comprehension of implementing
> one's skills so that the each architecture exemplifies it's unique
> strengths.  Anything less of course cannot be relied upon as representative
> of what each processor can actually do.
>
> Let me be clear here; it may take years to develop these mix of skills.
>  One can pursue the process of self-education via various means traditional
> college and academia, online references, etc.  Be positive and consistent in
> learning and the projects one engages upon will become better tools in
> helping one reach another stage.
>
> The reason why I am asking this kind of information is because I have a
> project in mind. You all might consider insane, but insanity is sanity,
> keeps us alive.
>
>
> Hey, don't worry.  A lot of people here have been wondering about me for
> years.  Chuckles, aside thinking differently is what one must do when
> exploring work not only within Linux but Linux running on a Cell or PowerPC.
>  This is very definitely the place for those who think and examine for
> themselves.
>
> What I want to do is the following: I want to make use of clustering
> capabilities using a macbook pro and a Playstation 3, and doing it so, to
> proof that virtualizing mac os x on linux would actually be faster than
> using a mac pro. There would be no distros issues regarding clustering?
>
>
> This is a multi-layered project.  Keep in mind that it's already been
> established that the Cell is in a different class than Intel processors.
> There's a nice article here discussing the vast gulf between Intel and
> Cell: http://www.michaeldolan.com/688
>
>  As far as clustering goes, checking out what TSS has done would be
> useful:
>
>
> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=software&submitimg[hardware][solutions]=1<http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=software&submitimg%5Bhardware%5D%5Bsolutions%5D=1>
>
> Sometimes acquiring information as to what's been done helps develop an
> idea regarding challenging oneself with projects as learning tools so that
> eventually one may have a chance to move from fundamentals to more current
> areas of computer and mathematics research.  What's interesting about Linux
> regardless of what computer architecture one works in, is that no one knows
> everything.  What is interesting also about modern computer architecture
> (whether of Intel or Cell) is that they've become so complex even the most
> advanced professionals are challenged by utilizing them to their best
> efficiency; this leaves opportunity for the regular fellow to develop
> something completely unexpected such as a better way to code effectively.
>
> Macbook Pro would be running one distro than not YDL (it's powerpc and
> cell) and PS3 would be ruuning YDL. Would it work ok?. Of course I am also
> beginning to learn programming and as soon as get the hand of it, it would
> be great to programme for the PS3.
>
> P.S: I have seen in some foruns reference that because of the fact that
> macbook pro uses now EFI instead of BIOS that it wouldn't be possible to run
> Linux alone. How far is this true?
>
>
> Sorry, I don't know.  But you could search the other lists or support
> communities for those versions of Linux which run on Intel and someone
> should respond sensibly.  There's a lot of brilliantly odd programmers out
> there who probably figured something out. But remember that communication
> would be a problem, and I see this all the time, where the skills between
> any two persons may be vast.  In other words, the more preparation and
> learning one does the more a conversation can be more meaningful as one has
> mastered the fundamentals.  Not everything on the web is accurate and there
> is no replacement for the experience gained from practice and more practice
> in a positive and creative process of study.
>
> Good luck on whatever projects or series of studies you choose to engage
> upon.  The work and effort is always worth it, if only for the sake of
> knowledge.
>
> In a closing, could you imagine what Isaac Newton would have done with
> such computers?  Of course, what is more important is the work and
> achievement he did independently without them; there is no replacement for
> clear thinking.  Thinking clearly is something anyone can improve upon.
>
> Best wishes...
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 4:11 PM, Derick Centeno <aguilarojo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  Hi Edward:
> > YDL is a linux variant designed to run exclusively on computers within
> > the PowerPC architecture family.  In the current market, this means old
> > Apple (PowerPC) computers, the current and very hot 9 core Cell, which is in
> > the PS3, and other computers which use the PowerPC/Cell family of CPUs.
> >
> > Given the current computer marketplace, it can be a challenge for anyone
> > to research why a person should choose one computer architecture over
> > another; the key is to learn and comprehend their differences in design,
> > efficiency in processing and usage.  The advantage of Linux, of course, is
> > that unlike commercial systems is that you have full access to all the
> > facilities of that CPU allowing you to utilize that CPU (as well as program
> > it) either as a server or client.
> >
> > The Macbook Pro is an Intel only system.  You could of course wipe OS X
> > off it and install Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu, Debian or even Slackware.  All are
> > decent variants of Linux which run nicely on Intel CPUs; if I was going that
> > route I'd choose Debian simply for the amount of tools they have besides
> > Ubuntu is a variant of Debian anyway.
> >
> > I could have given a simple, "No we don't do Intel here", but I believed
> > hinting at least a brief overview of why we're different (without exploring
> > the details) would be more helpful.  Besides if your interest is to go
> > beyond what is common with Linux, and you have the drive to explore the
> > various intricacies of more advanced fields of mathematics, programming and
> > other sciences -- the Cell has a great deal of Power (it won't choke) which
> > Intel won't approach or market for long while.  You can wait, or you can
> > have it now in a computer for under $600.
> >
> > Linux can be a wonderful tool to learn with and develop professionally
> > with.  Linux on the Cell though can be a better investment in one's personal
> > training.  The choice as usual is about one's interests; anyone can become
> > decent doing something nearly everyone does on computers everyone has.  The
> > opportunity here is how far an individual can apply and demonstrate evolving
> > skills with outstanding superior technology -- if you think about it most
> > persons don't approach that level of challenge until they  are in graduate
> > school pursuing a masters or terminal degree.  What if that level of
> > challenge is possible earlier as a result of one's interests and one does it
> > because it is truly interesting and fun; more importantly one can
> > demonstrate their skill via the code they produced on an advanced computer
> > architecture, which the Cell is.
> >
> > Interestingly, your choice of Linux states a lot about your interests.
> >  You just maybe could discover the Cell design and strengths compelling
> > enough to consider as your CPU of choice; now in that context Yellow Dog
> > Linux makes perfect sense and comes pre-installed on the PS3.  Here's that
> > link:
> >
> >
> > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg[hardware][sony]=1<http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg%5Bhardware%5D%5Bsony%5D=1>
> >
> > There are lot's of articles regarding the Cell throughout the web.  You
> > may care to explore some of the information here:
> >
> > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/showcase/cellebration/
> >
> > Whatever your choice, all the best.
> >
> > As for myself, I'm a longtime YDL and PowerPC user who is also looking
> > forward to moving on to the Cell.  Hopefully, I've expressed my opinions
> > within a useful context.
> >
> > All the best...
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Edward Montfoort wrote:
> >
> > Hello. I sort of new at linux and I would like to know if it would be
> > possible to run YDL on a macbook pro and also if it would be possible to run
> > it as the only OS.
> > And what kind of problems would I find and how would I solve them.
> > Hope you can help.
> > Thanks.
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