Macbook pro

Sat Feb 2 03:10:24 MST 2008

Dear Ed,

It might be fun to take a look at the OS/X on the MacBook, Windows XP AS A
CLIENT AND A LINUX OF YOUR CHOICE ALSO AS A CLIENT. I BELIEVE THAT IT HAS
THAT CAPABILITY. IT IS A TRUE MULTITASKING OS. As systems men that is what
we are looking for.

RSN

On Feb 1, 2008 6:11 PM, Edward Montfoort <therealsoultrain at gmail.com> wrote:

> I appreciate your help Derick. Thanks alot. And of course you're right, we
> are in a constant learning and it definitly would be a challenge for me, as
> someone always wanting to learn a lot more. Whatever difficulties may come
> I'll work them out.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2008 3:35 AM, Derick Centeno <aguilarojo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  My comments follow yours for clarity.
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Edward Montfoort wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all the info so far. So it definitly would be possible to run
> > Linux as the only OS on a macbook pro for what I can understand?.
> >
> >
> > Sure.  Just decide which Linux you want to run on your Intel computer.
> >  Understand that each version of Linux for example Fedora, Debian or
> > Slackware have their unique instructions on how to do this.  Some versions
> > of Linux can each be developed in such a way to run from a USB drive!  Way
> > cool, for taking over an Intel box and making it do what you want.  Don't
> > kid yourself though, each step in the process is a good deal of work.
> >
> > Remember also that although the programming skills needed to program
> > either the Intel or PowerPC/Cell are similar their application within each
> > processor requires a sophisticated and clear comprehension of implementing
> > one's skills so that the each architecture exemplifies it's unique
> > strengths.  Anything less of course cannot be relied upon as representative
> > of what each processor can actually do.
> >
> > Let me be clear here; it may take years to develop these mix of skills.
> >  One can pursue the process of self-education via various means traditional
> > college and academia, online references, etc.  Be positive and consistent in
> > learning and the projects one engages upon will become better tools in
> > helping one reach another stage.
> >
> > The reason why I am asking this kind of information is because I have a
> > project in mind. You all might consider insane, but insanity is sanity,
> > keeps us alive.
> >
> >
> > Hey, don't worry.  A lot of people here have been wondering about me for
> > years.  Chuckles, aside thinking differently is what one must do when
> > exploring work not only within Linux but Linux running on a Cell or PowerPC.
> >  This is very definitely the place for those who think and examine for
> > themselves.
> >
> > What I want to do is the following: I want to make use of clustering
> > capabilities using a macbook pro and a Playstation 3, and doing it so, to
> > proof that virtualizing mac os x on linux would actually be faster than
> > using a mac pro. There would be no distros issues regarding clustering?
> >
> >
> > This is a multi-layered project.  Keep in mind that it's already been
> > established that the Cell is in a different class than Intel processors.
> > There's a nice article here discussing the vast gulf between Intel and
> > Cell: http://www.michaeldolan.com/688
> >
> >  As far as clustering goes, checking out what TSS has done would be
> > useful:
> >
> >
> > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=software&submitimg[hardware][solutions]=1<http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=software&submitimg%5Bhardware%5D%5Bsolutions%5D=1>
> >
> > Sometimes acquiring information as to what's been done helps develop an
> > idea regarding challenging oneself with projects as learning tools so that
> > eventually one may have a chance to move from fundamentals to more current
> > areas of computer and mathematics research.  What's interesting about Linux
> > regardless of what computer architecture one works in, is that no one knows
> > everything.  What is interesting also about modern computer architecture
> > (whether of Intel or Cell) is that they've become so complex even the most
> > advanced professionals are challenged by utilizing them to their best
> > efficiency; this leaves opportunity for the regular fellow to develop
> > something completely unexpected such as a better way to code effectively.
> >
> > Macbook Pro would be running one distro than not YDL (it's powerpc and
> > cell) and PS3 would be ruuning YDL. Would it work ok?. Of course I am also
> > beginning to learn programming and as soon as get the hand of it, it would
> > be great to programme for the PS3.
> >
> > P.S: I have seen in some foruns reference that because of the fact that
> > macbook pro uses now EFI instead of BIOS that it wouldn't be possible to run
> > Linux alone. How far is this true?
> >
> >
> > Sorry, I don't know.  But you could search the other lists or support
> > communities for those versions of Linux which run on Intel and someone
> > should respond sensibly.  There's a lot of brilliantly odd programmers out
> > there who probably figured something out. But remember that communication
> > would be a problem, and I see this all the time, where the skills between
> > any two persons may be vast.  In other words, the more preparation and
> > learning one does the more a conversation can be more meaningful as one has
> > mastered the fundamentals.  Not everything on the web is accurate and there
> > is no replacement for the experience gained from practice and more practice
> > in a positive and creative process of study.
> >
> > Good luck on whatever projects or series of studies you choose to engage
> > upon.  The work and effort is always worth it, if only for the sake of
> > knowledge.
> >
> > In a closing, could you imagine what Isaac Newton would have done with
> > such computers?  Of course, what is more important is the work and
> > achievement he did independently without them; there is no replacement for
> > clear thinking.  Thinking clearly is something anyone can improve upon.
> >
> > Best wishes...
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2008 4:11 PM, Derick Centeno <aguilarojo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >  Hi Edward:
> > > YDL is a linux variant designed to run exclusively on computers within
> > > the PowerPC architecture family.  In the current market, this means old
> > > Apple (PowerPC) computers, the current and very hot 9 core Cell, which is in
> > > the PS3, and other computers which use the PowerPC/Cell family of CPUs.
> > >
> > > Given the current computer marketplace, it can be a challenge for
> > > anyone to research why a person should choose one computer architecture over
> > > another; the key is to learn and comprehend their differences in design,
> > > efficiency in processing and usage.  The advantage of Linux, of course, is
> > > that unlike commercial systems is that you have full access to all the
> > > facilities of that CPU allowing you to utilize that CPU (as well as program
> > > it) either as a server or client.
> > >
> > > The Macbook Pro is an Intel only system.  You could of course wipe OS
> > > X off it and install Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu, Debian or even Slackware.  All
> > > are decent variants of Linux which run nicely on Intel CPUs; if I was going
> > > that route I'd choose Debian simply for the amount of tools they have
> > > besides Ubuntu is a variant of Debian anyway.
> > >
> > > I could have given a simple, "No we don't do Intel here", but I
> > > believed hinting at least a brief overview of why we're different (without
> > > exploring the details) would be more helpful.  Besides if your interest is
> > > to go beyond what is common with Linux, and you have the drive to explore
> > > the various intricacies of more advanced fields of mathematics, programming
> > > and other sciences -- the Cell has a great deal of Power (it won't choke)
> > > which Intel won't approach or market for long while.  You can wait, or you
> > > can have it now in a computer for under $600.
> > >
> > > Linux can be a wonderful tool to learn with and develop professionally
> > > with.  Linux on the Cell though can be a better investment in one's personal
> > > training.  The choice as usual is about one's interests; anyone can become
> > > decent doing something nearly everyone does on computers everyone has.  The
> > > opportunity here is how far an individual can apply and demonstrate evolving
> > > skills with outstanding superior technology -- if you think about it most
> > > persons don't approach that level of challenge until they  are in graduate
> > > school pursuing a masters or terminal degree.  What if that level of
> > > challenge is possible earlier as a result of one's interests and one does it
> > > because it is truly interesting and fun; more importantly one can
> > > demonstrate their skill via the code they produced on an advanced computer
> > > architecture, which the Cell is.
> > >
> > > Interestingly, your choice of Linux states a lot about your interests.
> > >  You just maybe could discover the Cell design and strengths compelling
> > > enough to consider as your CPU of choice; now in that context Yellow Dog
> > > Linux makes perfect sense and comes pre-installed on the PS3.  Here's that
> > > link:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg[hardware][sony]=1<http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg%5Bhardware%5D%5Bsony%5D=1>
> > >
> > > There are lot's of articles regarding the Cell throughout the web.
> > >  You may care to explore some of the information here:
> > >
> > > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/showcase/cellebration/
> > >
> > > Whatever your choice, all the best.
> > >
> > > As for myself, I'm a longtime YDL and PowerPC user who is also looking
> > > forward to moving on to the Cell.  Hopefully, I've expressed my opinions
> > > within a useful context.
> > >
> > > All the best...
> > >
> > > On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Edward Montfoort wrote:
> > >
> > >  Hello. I sort of new at linux and I would like to know if it would be
> > > possible to run YDL on a macbook pro and also if it would be possible to run
> > > it as the only OS.
> > > And what kind of problems would I find and how would I solve them.
> > > Hope you can help.
> > > Thanks.
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