e17 Dockbar Configuration & Bling Module

Tue Apr 8 06:51:41 MDT 2008

:-)  I understand whole heartedly and enjoyed reading what you explained
so wonderfully!!  That was very motivational as well and sparks
something in me to want to learn more!  I really appreciate the
response.

Robert O. LaNier, II
Remote Business Relationship Manager
STOLI Suntrust Bank Online

Mail Code: TN-NA-0785
41 Rachel Drive
Nashville, TN 37214
(866) 472-6620 Voice
(615) 391-8609 Fax
Seeing beyond money SM 

-----Original Message-----
From: yellowdog-newbie-bounces at lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
[mailto:yellowdog-newbie-bounces at lists.terrasoftsolutions.com] On Behalf
Of Derick Centeno
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:31 AM
To: Discussion List for New Yellow Dog Linux Users
Subject: Re: e17 Dockbar Configuration & Bling Module

Robert, you are forgetting something essential.  e17 is brand  
spanking new!

The information you acquired regarding engage needing to be acquired  
from within a cvs means something for persons with intermediate to  
advanced programming skills.  Briefly, a cvs is tool which provides a  
means of tracking changes in source code libraries.  Source code  
meaning C or C++ languages, as well as others used in programming  
computers.

What you fail to realize is that to use engage, you have to have the  
programming skills in order to compile, build, install and test  
engage then integrate it into e17 so that everything works.  On the  
commercial side of the universe where Windows, Macs and others have  
sway -- companies pay programmers to do all that work and sell or  
license the end product -- a working operating system complete with  
all the niceties most users are used to for users to, well, use.

Linux/Unix are different.  Unix, commercial Unix such as Solaris and  
AIX, and others, provide a tool like cvs for their programmers
and like other commercial environments an IT/MIS department does the  
work which the users have no idea exists.  Usually users needs are  
refined on-site.

Linux was designed to be close to Unix, but allow for persons to use  
it at home or home office environments.  However, every single  
version of Linux has nearly the full complexity of what commercial  
Unix is.  In other words, it required the user of Linux to be  
competent as a programmer.  If one thing is hindering Linux from  
overall complete acceptance and domination of the desktop it still  
needs a person sophisticated and disciplined enough to understand and  
correct the source code when things go wrong.

Linux, and BSD Unix, are a great gifts, as rich as a local public  
library.  The difference is that few actually take advantage of it  
and master what is present for all and anyone to read and learn  
from.  There is no commercial operating system or commercial service  
which will permit you to access, read, have the opportunity to learn  
or correct source code -- and literally design things your way and  
share it with others.

YDL is under the GPL (General Public License), like other Linux  
variants so it is it's own library for your use and expansion.
Not everyone will be interested in doing such intricate work of  
course.  But to use engage and build it, you must have that core  
competence at this stage of how e17 exists.

Unfortunately the current situation in Linux is akin to asking a  
listener of music to become a Master Composer, or Musician.
It is understandable not everyone will do that, or engage in the  
disciplines to achieve that competency.  However, the opportunity in  
Linux is that if one had the drive and interest -- one potentially  
could do some wonderful work adding to the marvel that e17 is and may  
yet be.

The work one assumes must be conditional upon one's interests.  Some  
will have to wait; others will make attempts.  No one however can  
design or imagine exactly how you or another individual would do  
something creative within Linux.  There's no guarantee of success,  
but the opportunity is definitely present.

All the best...

On Apr 7, 2008, at 2:32 PM, LaNier.Robert wrote:

> I read that user guide, but the engage bar doesn't seem to be  
> installed
> at all.  From what I read it has be installed from a cvs, which I'm  
> not
> familiar with at all.  Also is there an e17 repo that we can use to
> update e17 as well as install any dependency needed for engage or any
> other e17 application.  Any help is appreciated.  This is all for  
> YDL v6
>
> Robert O. LaNier, II
> Remote Business Relationship Manager
> STOLI Suntrust Bank Online
>
> Mail Code: TN-NA-0785
> 41 Rachel Drive
> Nashville, TN 37214
> (866) 472-6620 Voice
> (615) 391-8609 Fax
> Seeing beyond money SM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yellowdog-newbie-bounces at lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> [mailto:yellowdog-newbie-bounces at lists.terrasoftsolutions.com] On  
> Behalf
> Of Derick Centeno
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:35 PM
> To: yellowdog-newbie at lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> Subject: Re: e17 Dockbar Configuration & Bling Module
>
> Hi Robert:
>
> I discovered a discussion regarding engage here which may address your
> questions:  http://www1.get-e.org/EFL_User_Guide/English/_pages/ 
> 3.4.html
>
> As far as getting modules, etc. into e17 I found YDL 5 more
> straightforward.
> YDL6 has hidden this capacity by simplifying what may be accessed via
> the
> standard.  In short, to access the flexibility you speak of one would
> have to
> know which modular options to select so that e17 will unlock or access
> the desired features you speak of.
>
> I did that by Configuration --> Modules, the dialog Module Settings
> appears
> with Available Modules listed on the left.  When I selected one  
> module,
> then I
> clicked upon Load Module which would bring that selected module  
> into the
> Loaded
> Module list.  If you loaded the correct combination of modules then
> you'll
> noticed that Theme, Wallpaper and Configuration panel are also  
> available
> from
> the Configuration menu option.  You can then proceed to import themes
> and other
> tools into e17.
>
> Keep in mind that currently there are differences between development
> installations of e17 and release installations (by which I mean  
> versions
> of e17
> distributed by vendors such as TSS, etc. designed especially for their
> users).
> In short, the themes pages of e17 will clearly explain whether such
> themes will
> function in the current development environment alone.
>
> All the best...
>
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:48:26 -0400
> "LaNier.Robert" <Robert.Lanier at SunTrust.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all!  I have a question concerning the e17 dockbar
> configuration.
>> Is there a way to configure the dockbar to use engage instead of  
>> ibar?
>> Does e17 on YDL v6 come pre installed with engage and/or the bling
>> module composite manager?  If not how do we get these modules on e17
> on
>> ydl v6?
>>
>>
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