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Regarding Gnome 2.10 using Firefox, i think your best bet would be  
waiting until YDL is using whatever Fedora version is using Gnome 2.x  
with Firefox.  Or at least until their testing packages of Firefox  
become stable with version 4 (I'm totally guessing) AND it doesn't  
squash my wee little head OR cause hassles with installing into YDL.   
I'm guessing you're gonna get the same results using Mozilla as with  
Firefox, as I'm sure Firefox is essentially a small GUI & stuff around  
the same Gecko rendering engine.  Ok, I'll shut up now. :)

As for the flame regarding KDE and Gnome, I totally agree with the fact  
that It's a choice through and through.  But because of the large usage  
of their development libraries, you kind-of need to have both.  For  
instance, I prefer Gnome.  Most things I use are Gnome based.  But I  
also use Kdar, which requires KDE.  Just be thankful that YDL comes  
with both (I heard a major distro dropped one from their distro, but I  
can't remember details.)  and you're just a "switchdesk gnome" or  
"switchdesk kde" or "yum install switchdesk-gui" away from choosing  
your default.  And if you can't stand either, more choices are on the  
horizon.  WindowMaker is already in YDL Extras Testing branch, and XFCE  
4.2 is on my list of future submissions to the Extras.

Ok, I'll shut up again :)

- --Andy

On Apr 7, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:

> *FLAME OFF*
>
> Be nice... [:-)]
>
> Life is about choices.  You may configure whatever desktop suits your
> fancy.  There are many desktops to choose from. GNOME and KDE are only
> two of the many choices.
>
> For what it's worth...
> As reported earlier, I have successfully built KDE-3.4 using konstruct,
> the GAR framework for KDE.
>
> 	http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.php
>
> KDE-3.4 is a large, complex desktop with lots of interesting toys. If
> there is to be a YDL-4.0.2 release before YDL-5.0 is released, I would
> like to see the version of KDE updated to 3.4.
>
> -Joseph
>
> ======================================================================= 
> =======
>
>
> On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 13:27, Richard June wrote:
>> *FLAME ON*
>> Well, I'm sure we all know that KDE is a much better choice for an  
>> environment
>> then GNOME, especially if you want to be able to set defaults and/or  
>> restrict
>> access to things. :-)
>>
>> On Thursday 07 April 2005 09:31 am, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
>>> NBD...  Let me put it into perspective: It is not a show stopper.
>>>
>>> GNOME-2.10.0.x can be configured to build against mozilla rather than
>>> firefox. However..., the gnomes [those wee folk that create the GNOME
>>> desktop ???] have moved on to firefox.
>>>
>>> -Joseph
>>>
>>> ===================================================================== 
>>> =
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 10:19, Andrew Zschetzsche wrote:
>>>> Ahh, I have been corrected. ;)
>>>>
>>>> I'd have to try a RPM from Fedora's 3.90 testing build, as that has
>>>> Gnome 2.10 beta.  If that doesn't work, I'm out; I'd have no idea  
>>>> as to
>>>> what goes where.
>>>>
>>>> --Andy
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>> Answer:
>>>>>
>>>>> 	rpm -ql mozilla-devel
>>>>>
>>>>> If you wish to build any other application that is based upon  
>>>>> firefox,
>>>>> e.g. epiphany-1.6, you will need the firefox equivalents of the  
>>>>> include
>>>>> files, libraries, etc. listed above. The current "stable" branch of
>>>>> GNOME, 2.10.0.x, uses now uses firefox rather than mozilla.
>>>>>
>>>>> The mozilla install on YDL contains:
>>>>>
>>>>>         mozilla-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>         mozilla-chat-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>         mozilla-devel-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>         mozilla-dom-inspector-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>         mozilla-js-debugger-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>         mozilla-mail-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>         mozilla-nspr-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>         mozilla-nspr-devel-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>         mozilla-nss-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>         mozilla-nss-devel-1.7.3-2.ydl.1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You should carefully review this list and decide which of these are
>>>>> relevant to creating a developer environment for firefox.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> =================================================================== 
>>>>> ====
>>>>> ===========
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 01:32, Richard June wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday 06 April 2005 08:27, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>> It would be useful if there were also a firefox-devel, just like
>>>>>>> mozilla-devel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uhm, what would you want in firefox-devel?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> joseph_sacco[at]comcast[dot]net
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