Fwd: (Incident Review ID: 403998) GETJAVA: comment: JRE for YellowDog Linux community

Tue May 24 11:44:16 MDT 2005

Let us know when you enter the 1990's :p

I use OpenOffice on Windows at work (on my workstation, work laptop is
YDL'ed iBook) - Windows doesn't exclude you from using OSS software,
or even non-Microsoft software.

Much as I dislike it happening, Java is becoming more and more
important in the world beyond the browser, and for that we need Sun's
Java. gcj/kaffe/etc may be noble attempts to clone it, but they're
nowhere close, and often require app modification (gcj), rather than
actually embodying write once, run anywhere.

My cellphone has better Java than Kaffe had last time I used it

Cian

On 24/05/05, Norberto Quintanar <nquintanar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nope I don't use Open Office.  Believe it or not any personal
> correspondence from my home is typed on an old Smith-Corona
> typerwriter.  And we use Windoze at work.  Hey I'm with you.  One of
> the reasons I do not have YDL 4.0 running on any Mac at home is that
> I have old world machines, 4.0 is a resource hog, and even if I did
> install it;  what could I realistically run on it for it to be
> productive?  I surf the web at home.
> 
> --- Cian Duffy <myob87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >  But do you need or use OpenOffice? Or filesharing apps (Azuerus
> > and
> > Limewire are among  the best for, uhh... downloading ISO's.
> > Yeah...)?
> >
> > They need Sun's JVM.
> >
> > Cian
> >
> > On 24/05/05, Norberto Quintanar <nquintanar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > All that may be true.  But I don't miss it.  I don't need or use
> > any
> > > development tools i.e netbeans or eclipse.  And from Kaffe's
> > website.
> > >
> > > "Kaffe is not the best Java virtual machine for developing Java
> > > applications, as it lacks much in the way of documentation,
> > > compatibility, debugging/profiling support, etc. If you are
> > learning
> > > Java, or are looking for a complete Java development environment,
> > you
> > > will probably be best served by using a "real" Java development
> > > environment (such as the JDK) licensed from Sun."
> > >
> > > Which would bring you to the current state of affairs.
> > > Kaffe works great for what I use it for, surfing the web.
> > >
> > > --- Cian Duffy <myob87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As someone who has fought with open JVM's for years on my other
> > OS
> > > > (BeOS), I can tell you that you -NEED- Sun's JVM. Even GCJ in
> > GCC4
> > > > barely cuts it, and when its YDL moving to GCC4?
> > > >
> > > > OpenOffice2 doesn't support Kaffe. I doubt Eclipse does, or
> > > > NetBeans.
> > > > Or any major Java app, for that matter.
> > > >
> > > > OpenOffice 2.x, which is a wonderful application, will depend
> > on
> > > > GCC4's GCJ or Sun Java to run on YDL4. Thats a major app to
> > lose
> > > > out
> > > > on due to a lack of Java.
> > > >
> > > > Cian
> > > >
> > > > On 24/05/05, Norberto Quintanar <nquintanar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Java?  We don't need no stinkin' Java!
> > > > >
> > > > > <http://www.kaffe.org/>
> > > > >
> > > > > --- "Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." <joseph_sacco at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Cian,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good idea...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Owen, what do you think?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Joseph
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > ==================================================================
> > > > > > On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 17:01 +0100, Cian Duffy wrote:
> > > > > > > Sun are unlikely to port it themselves. Java on Linux was
> > for
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > > years provided by Blackdown, official Sun Java on FreeBSD
> > is
> > > > > > provided
> > > > > > > by the FreeBSD project, and so on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An experienced coder/coding team can approach Sun and get
> > the
> > > > > > full
> > > > > > > source code under NDA to port the JVM/JRE, including the
> > > > HotSpot
> > > > > > VM.
> > > > > > > Sun won't port it themselves. In YDL's case, someone from
> > > > > > Terrasoft
> > > > > > > would be best, or someone that TSS are willing to vouch
> > for.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 24/05/05, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
> > > > <joseph_sacco at comcast.net>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > "We" do appreciate the effort.  If SUN were to offer
> > JAVA
> > > > for
> > > > > > linuxPPC's
> > > > > > > > that would run on 32-bit & 64-bit PPC's, that would be
> > > > great.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Joseph
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> ===============================================================================
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 08:14 -0700, Hex Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > > (Note that it took them at least a month to reply to
> > this
> > > > > > request for support)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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