[ydl-gen] yellowdog-board.com is not functioning - Off topic discussion

Tue Apr 10 11:20:07 MDT 2007

Derick,

Thanks for your answer; I can only agree on your view on this topic. 

My email was in a reaction to several unsuccessful attempts to contact the
board admin and in depth FAQ / admin posts reading. To build up a community
requires a bit of support at the beginning of the process. Even if YDL is an
established distribution, the PS3 version is attracting a whole new set of
people. My feeling is that a renewed bootstrap process could be beneficial,
at least to ensure that people willing to join / contribute to the community
are able to do so. A few posts from Terra Soft people, just to say hi (and
answer to key questions) and show that there are people working on the
product would be also great. As far as I’m concerned the poor level of Terra
Soft presence in the PS3/general sections of the ML or board decided me not
to subscribe to YDL.net – just because I feared that even the paying
subscription was not associated with the appropriate level of resources.

Anyway, I’m now a happy registered user of the forum and I was finally able
to contribute the result of my experience with PS3 kernel compilation.

Frank

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Objet : Re: [ydl-gen] yellowdog-board.com is not functioning - Off topic
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Hi Frank:

Regarding the Board, I'm sure that you noticed this link:

http://www.yellowdog-board.com/viewtopic.php?t=9

perhaps this also:

http://www.yellowdog-board.com/faq.php

If you did, it is possible that you missed the hint that the Site Admin and
the System running the Board are in Germany!  

While your sentiment is very well understood, at least by me, the community
of relationships which exists is just that -- a community.  The community,
as a concept where shared interests exist, ends where legalities, ownership
and related issues begin to intercede.  One of the regions where
distinctions occur is in the area of ownership and who is responsible for
what, and for how long.

It is not practical, or even good, for any business to buy or influence
everything for the sake of convenience.  The system in effect, although
rather messy, disruptive and chaotic does guarantee a degree of independence
throughout each relationship.  And individuals will comply accordingly with
their unique understanding and views regarding the kind of relationships
they believe themselves to be associated with.  

If the Board in Germany is not functioning properly the rest of us may feel
concerned but all that can practically be done is write to the same persons
-- the System Administrators -- that everyone else would write to.  There
might be a phone contact somewhere who knows someone to make things happen a
bit faster, but that is assuming quite a lot for two sites spread across the
planet run by completely different organizations.  One commercial and the
other I imagine a non-profit entity or community.

I have my own questions.  How is it that no confusion exists between say
Hell's Angel's bikers and Harley Davidson bikes?  Really, if you think about
it I've never heard of anyone writing to the Harley Davidson company
complaining the a local chapter of the Hell's Angels has a peculiar
difficulty.  Let me put the question differently.  Is Sony or Nintendo
supposed to get involved because a community of gamers somewhere couldn't
access the server run by a local club? Being truly "helpful" changes as
influence increases; usually resulting in "help" transitioning to control.
This conundrum is exactly where Microsoft has found itself; it is not an
easy issue for commercial entities to avoid.

That kind of close association can become a bit too close, to my thinking.
Better that distinctions remain and diverse responsibilities remain what
they are.  The "open source" community concept is morphing in many
directions and services simultaneously; however every commercial and
non-profit entity in it's various forms should attend to how their unique
participation contributes to the "community".  This is not as simple as it
appears.  It's perhaps like different partners of different dance styles
being invited to a party; how is it going to be all done such that no one
gets hurt and everyone enjoys the opportunity resulting of coming together
in this unique manner.

It's a work, or effort, in process or continuing evolvement.  Each is free
to refuse to participate; respecting this choice for whatever reason is
imperative.

Best wishes...

On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Frank Lyonnet wrote:

Hello,

I just wanted to inform you that it seems that the registration process at
the “Community Forum“ http://www.yellowdog-board.com
<http://www.yellowdog-board.com/>  is not functioning properly (the problem
has already been reported on this ML). Any message to the admin for manual
account activation is returned as non delivered:

      admin at yellowdog-board.com le 06/04/2007 14:13

            Could not deliver the message in the time limit specified.
Please retry or contact your administrator.

            <exch-ipanema.ipanema.local #4.4.7>

Not to mention that a couple of weeks ago the forum site was completely
down.

Even though I understand this site is operated by a volunteer. I don’t
believe this is a good practice to leave it in that state as Yellow Dog is
currently attracting a bunch of new users through the PS3 release. A lot are
directed to http://www.yellowdog-board.com <http://www.yellowdog-board.com/>
quite easily through Google and through Terra Soft site. I guess more
support from Terra Soft for this board could be highly beneficial for the
image of YDL. This probably applies to this mailing list as well. I
understand that a paying community/support exists: YDL.net, but I believe a
Linux distribution cannot only be based on paying support 

Frank

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