Why OS X instead of YDL?
Nils Crompton
yellowdog-newbie@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:28:43 +1100
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On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 05:47 AM, John van Vlaanderen wrote:
> The past 24 hours have been wasted just trying to get this iMac up
> again.
The iMac sells because it is a consumer product - people desire it as
an object. I think you have to asses that on its own terms. The no
fan issue is a major plus for consumers. You need a tower, esp. 4 a
server.
> I called Mac while I was still in warranty and they told me to buy
> Jaguar.
> Thats not what I wanted to hear, they should offer bug fixes if they
> charge for the s/w.
>
Yep 4 all it's 'communist' image, apple sure likes to charge. You
must agree Jag is massivly better than 10.1
> Finally I did install Jag with the Unix F/S but I still cant resize
> partitions to add linux. On linux this is absolute cake.
> Some apps esp Mozilla have to run on a HFS partition -- more problems.
? Just leave a big blank free space at the start of your HDD. And why
UnixFS? Fink and X11 run fine on HFS+ and you can mix it with ext2
partitions 4 YDL...
> As sucky as x86 systems are... well, they are cost effective.
yup. to get my mac I had to literally compete to get an ex demo model
and get an extra credit card for it and use a $50 monitor.
> And.. to get root access on Jag, I had to reboot w/ the cdrom. They
> really dont want you touching "their" system !!
? just create a root password with NetInfo Manager. If you want root
in finder use Pseudo
Having said all that. Unless the new IBM chip brings mac up to speed
my next machine will be linux/windows+AMD. Especially 4 3D work.
nils
>> Ok, this is just what I thought when I read the subject of this mail:
>>
>> Well, I first tried YDL because I didn't want to use Microsoft
>> Office. I had tried OpenOffice beta version and it was pretty boring,
>> specially after being used to nice GUI's.
>>
>> I didn't know anything about Linux at all. But Linux users seemed to
>> have a very similar (like Mac users) look on their faces: THEY WERE
>> HAPPY and felt cool because they have a real powerful and stable OS.
>>
>> Of course after working (trying to, actually) for 6 years with MS
>> Windows, then 2 with OS9 and X (which works perfectly, so far) I had
>> to give Linux a try.
>>
>> Linux is wonderful. So is Mac. Then I see all this just like Linux is
>> the Old brother and OSX is the young one. Though, there is a lot they
>> both have to learn from each other.
>>
>> I mean, WHY NOT USE THE COOLEST SYSTEMS??? and have what is best from
>> 2 worlds.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 02:11 PM, John van Vlaaderen wrote:
>>
>>> Hate to say it.. but Windozer probably has all of these apps too,
>>> and maybe even better ones.
>>>
>>> While microsoft is nasty there is a lot of support out there for it
>>> from the community.
>>>
>>> Mac users tend to be snobs brainwashed into thinking that apple has
>>> set them free, haha
>>>
>>> Free like communism, not free beer !!
>>> (I am so sick)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 04:40 PM, Nils Crompton wrote:
>>>
>>>> A reversal of the question is also illuminating. Why OSX instead
>>>> of YDL? Only one thing: Graphics. Simply, it is a nice platform
>>>> for use for Visual Art. If linux (or wintel) had FCP, Lightwave,
>>>> After Effects and Photoshop in a seamlessly integrated environment
>>>> I'd dump MacOS. But then I would also dump PPC. I'd get a cheap
>>>> AMD box, and a free LinuxOS. AU$2500 for a screaming system vs
>>>> AU$3000 for a slow G4!
>>>>
>>>> So really the question is: If no OSX then why YDL/PPC?
>>>>
>>>> Nils
>>>>
>>>> PS: Hey come to think of it Linux has Film Gimp and Maya doesn't
>>>> it? Is there a compositor and an editor for it too? Do Shake and
>>>> Avid run on it?
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 08:07 AM, B. Charles Reynolds
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps an odd set of questions. I belong to a small Mac club,
>>>>>> and the members
>>>>>> know I'm fooling around with YDL on an old PM 7200, so I imagine
>>>>>> it's only a
>>>>>> matter of time before I'm asked to demonstrate YDL at a club
>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure I'd be asked...why mess around with YDL, since OS X is
>>>>>> now BSD-based?
>>>>>> I've got one answer: runs on several pre-G3 machines...but what
>>>>>> else could I
>>>>>> offer? Why would anyone use YDL, for example, on an iMac, since
>>>>>> OS X is
>>>>>> available?
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On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 05:47 AM, John van Vlaanderen wrote:
<excerpt>The past 24 hours have been wasted just trying to get this
iMac up again.
</excerpt>
The iMac sells because it is a consumer product - people desire it as
an object. I think you have to asses that on its own terms. The no
fan issue is a major plus for consumers. You need a tower, esp. 4 a
server.
<excerpt>I called Mac while I was still in warranty and they told me
to buy Jaguar.
</excerpt>
<excerpt>Thats not what I wanted to hear, they should offer bug fixes
if they charge for the s/w.
</excerpt>Yep 4 all it's 'communist' image, apple sure likes to
charge. You must agree Jag is massivly better than 10.1
<excerpt>Finally I did install Jag with the Unix F/S but I still cant
resize partitions to add linux. On linux this is absolute cake.
Some apps esp Mozilla have to run on a HFS partition -- more problems.
</excerpt>? Just leave a big blank free space at the start of your
HDD. And why UnixFS? Fink and X11 run fine on HFS+ and you can mix
it with ext2 partitions 4 YDL...
<excerpt>As sucky as x86 systems are... well, they are cost effective.
</excerpt>yup. to get my mac I had to literally compete to get an ex
demo model and get an extra credit card for it and use a $50 monitor.
<excerpt>And.. to get root access on Jag, I had to reboot w/ the
cdrom. They really dont want you touching "their" system !!
</excerpt>? just create a root password with NetInfo Manager. If you
want root in finder use Pseudo
Having said all that. Unless the new IBM chip brings mac up to speed
my next machine will be linux/windows+AMD. Especially 4 3D work.
nils
<excerpt><excerpt>Ok, this is just what I thought when I read the
subject of this mail:
Well, I first tried YDL because I didn't want to use Microsoft Office.
I had tried OpenOffice beta version and it was pretty boring,
specially after being used to nice GUI's.
I didn't know anything about Linux at all. But Linux users seemed to
have a very similar (like Mac users) look on their faces: THEY WERE
HAPPY and felt cool because they have a real powerful and stable OS.
Of course after working (trying to, actually) for 6 years with MS
Windows, then 2 with OS9 and X (which works perfectly, so far) I had
to give Linux a try.
Linux is wonderful. So is Mac. Then I see all this just like Linux is
the Old brother and OSX is the young one. Though, there is a lot they
both have to learn from each other.
I mean, WHY NOT USE THE COOLEST <bold>SYSTEMS</bold>??? and have what
is best from 2 worlds.
On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 02:11 PM, John van Vlaaderen wrote:
<excerpt>Hate to say it.. but Windozer probably has all of these apps
too, and maybe even better ones.
While microsoft is nasty there is a lot of support out there for it
from the community.
Mac users tend to be snobs brainwashed into thinking that apple has
set them free, haha
Free like communism, not free beer !!
(I am so sick)
On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 04:40 PM, Nils Crompton wrote:
<excerpt>A reversal of the question is also illuminating. Why OSX
instead of YDL? Only one thing: Graphics. Simply, it is a nice
platform for use for Visual Art. If linux (or wintel) had FCP,
Lightwave, After Effects and Photoshop in a <bold>seamlessly
integrated environment</bold> I'd dump MacOS. But then I would also
dump PPC. I'd get a cheap AMD box, and a free LinuxOS. AU$2500 for a
screaming system vs AU$3000 for a slow G4!
So really the question is: If no OSX then why YDL/PPC?
Nils
PS: Hey come to think of it Linux has Film Gimp and Maya doesn't it?
Is there a compositor and an editor for it too? Do Shake and Avid run
on it?
On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 08:07 AM, B. Charles Reynolds wrote:
<excerpt><excerpt>Perhaps an odd set of questions. I belong to a
small Mac club, and the members
know I'm fooling around with YDL on an old PM 7200, so I imagine it's
only a
matter of time before I'm asked to demonstrate YDL at a club meeting.
I'm sure I'd be asked...why mess around with YDL, since OS X is now
BSD-based?
I've got one answer: runs on several pre-G3 machines...but what else
could I
offer? Why would anyone use YDL, for example, on an iMac, since OS X
is
available?
</excerpt></excerpt></excerpt></excerpt></excerpt></excerpt>
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