Howto?: network a Beige OSX and 7600 YDL2.3

Mon, 19 May 2003 15:08:51 -0700

Q0: Yes, you can still network 2 machines with the crossover cable.

Now, just for clarity, there is a difference between a router, a 
switch, and a hub.

A router is "smart" and must be configured so that it can make 
decisions about where/how to route traffic (data) through it. Routers 
tend to be more expensive and more difficult to configure than hubs or 
switches.

A hub is "dumb" and simply talks to all the devices that are connected 
to it. For instance, if there is a hub with 3 computers attached to it 
(computers A, B, and C) and computer A wants to send something to 
computer C then it sends the traffic out of it's (A's) ethernet port. 
It reaches the hub and the hub " broadcasts" this traffic to *every* 
device plugged into it. It is up to computer C to recognize that the 
traffic is intended for it and for computer B to decide that the 
traffic is not intended for it and to ignore it. A hub cannot be 
configured, it just listens on all of its ports and whenever traffic is 
sent to it, it sends that traffic out of all the rest of its ports.

A switch is "slightly smart" and does not "broadcast" all traffic to 
all computers attached to it. It is smart enough to know which computer 
is connected to which one of its ports and send the data it receives 
out to the correct computer. Generally there is not much configuring 
that needs to be done on a switch. Often there is no configuration 
needed.

Q1: As far as OS X goes, yes, that is how you configure it.  For YDL, I 
am not sure, maybe someone else can help out there. I have been using 
YDL for only a week and it is the 3.0 version. When I installed it I 
set my iBook up to get a DHCP lease, so I haven't had to manually 
configure any networking stuff.

If you normally use the YDL machine on another network and only want to 
make a temporary change (until next reboot) you can use the ifconfig 
command to do that. I can probably help you figure that out if you want 
to go that route.

Q2: That is a good question-- you can use just about anything you like: 
ftp, ssh, telnet, or whatever. All of those are command line utilities 
(I think there are some graphical front ends for X for some of them, 
but I have never used them). If you turn on the Personal Web Sharing in 
OS X (system prefs/sharing) you should be able to see the OS X machine 
with a the browser on YDL. You would just go to:

http://10.10.10.5/

and unless you have something else set  up it will probably just be the 
default apache web page.

You can also turn on the Personal File Sharing and you should be able 
to:

afp://10.10.10.5

If the browser you are using in YDL supports it.

Once you have the two machines on the same network, you might want to 
try and set up SAMBA for filesharing between them. There might be an 
easier way to set up filesharing with OS X and YDL, but I am unaware of 
any. I will play around with this later today and see if I can come up 
with something more useful.

Q4: The connections I have described are TCP/IP. I am not sure where 
AppleTalk fits into the picture other than I am pretty sure that 
AppleTalk can use TCP/IP to get from one machine to another. To the 
best of my knowledge it is just kind of magic and "just works." I wish 
I could be more help here.

On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 01:20 PM, David Purdy wrote:

> Thanks Ron:
>
> I will try the ping, after making sure the physical
> and logical setups are complete.
>
> I already applied the 2.3 fix describe on the HowTo
> pages, to fix netatalk.  If I may be so bold...a few
> questions...
>
> Q0. Can I still network the two via the
> crossovercable?  Does the connection **have** to go
> through a router?
>
> Q1: Do I configure the machines via the respective
> configuring devices:
>
> mac osX box <-> Network System Preferences
>
> ydl 2.3 box <-> redhat-config-network   ...?
>
> Q2: What commands/programs do I use to actually
> see/connect to the other machine, to see it on a
> desktop?  Go To Server in Mac OSX?    What will that
> access look like in Linux/YDL- ie. do I brows to it or
> what, in Linux?
>
> Q4.  Is what you describe an AppleTalk-based
> connection, or is it some other protocol?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
> --- Ron Smith <ronsmith@ydl.net> wrote:
>> They will need to be connected physically, then
>> configured logically.
>>
>> Physically what you will probably want to do is get
>> a simple ethernet
>> hub. Instead of using the crossover cable, you will
>> use a
>> straight-through cable to go from each machine to
>> the hub. Once they
>> are physically wired to the hub they will be able to
>> "see" each other
>> when you get the logical configuration correct.
>>
>> For the logical configuration you will need to set
>> their IP address and
>> netmasks to be on the same subnet. For instance you
>> could configure the
>> Beige OS X machine to be IP address 10.10.10.5 with
>> a netmask of
>> 255.255.255.0  then configure the PowerMac to be
>> 10.10.10.6 with a
>> netmask of 255.255.255.0  With both of them plugged
>> into the hub (or
>> with a crossover cable) they should be able to ping
>> each other. If you
>> are using the Beige OS X machine you would open up a
>> terminal and use
>> the command:
>>
>> ping 10.10.10.6
>>
>> and it should return something similar to:
>>
>> 64 bytes from 10.10.10.6: icmp_seq=0 ttl=52
>> time=32.408 ms
>> 64 bytes from 10.10.10.6: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52
>> time=43.476 ms
>> 64 bytes from 10.10.10.6: icmp_seq=2 ttl=52
>> time=75.493 ms
>>
>> You will have to <control> C to make it stop! =)
>>
>> At that point they are networked together and you
>> can share files or
>> use whatever network applications that you want to
>> use.
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> -Ron
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 09:08 AM, David Purdy
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Help!
>>>
>>> I want to network a Beige OSX machine with a
>> PowerMac
>>> 7600 YDL 2.3 machine.
>>>
>>> I know how set up a simple (cross-over cable)
>> network
>>> with the same Beige OSX machine and an iBook OS9
>>> machine.
>>>
>>> I've tried the basics/listed how to's...but my
>>> knowledge how to...is...well...really basic.
>>>
>>> So, how to? (i'll need the gorey
>> details...*really*
>>> spelled out)...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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