partitioning questions

[David Froseth]

Derick,
    I have finally got what I think is a good bootable backup of my OS X 
& 9 HD, using DiskWarrior and Carbon Copy Cloner.  I think some of my 
last YDL partitioning problems came from trying to copy to and swap a 
new hard drive into my laptop without ever doing any disk maintenance.  
A little knowledge can give you enough confidence to get into big 
trouble.  Then you really learn something!  I think my original HD was 
so gummed up with borken permissions and directories that the copy hard 
drive I installed in my computer was a mess.  I think YDL and all other 
Linux distros could start by telling people that if they plan on a 
partitioned multi-os system then clean up the os's on the existing  
partitions.  Do a disk first aid operation.
    I don't think you should attemt to install YDL untill you have 
mastered how to make a bootable clone of your OS X hard drive.  I could 
be way off on this, maybe it doesn't matter.  But, I have spent a week 
getting my new hard drive and all of my OS X programs working again.  I 
eventually deleted my fink /sw file and I am now reloading all of those 
programs.  Having to relearn all of the fink stuff again is good.  I 
also have gained a much deeper and valuable understanting of the 
underpinings of unix based os's by struggling with a fried hard drive 
(actually 3 fried hard drives).  Luckily I did not lose any important data.
    I read the YDL 2.2 guide and that made the process much more 
understandable.  Thanks for the advice.  In trying my next attempt to 
install YDL,  I got to this point and had some questions:

Hard Drives
    /dev/hda
       /dev/hda9                Apple Bootstrap            1            
          2                      4
       /dev/hda10               swap                              512   
               4                     1045
       /dev/hda12        /      ext3                                
18487              1045               38605
       /dev/hda11               hfs                                   
51769             38605              143786
       /dev/hda13               hfs                                   
5422               144046            155061


My questions are:

Why does the OS X and OS 9 partitions have the number hda11 and hda13?  
Why does the numbering start so high and why is 12 skipped by OSX and OS 9?
Where are hda1 - hda8?
Is hda12 going to be physically placed between hda11 and hda13?  The 
picture at the top of the window looked right.  The order of the Start 
and End points seems to be right, except for the gap between hda11 and 
hda13's start/end points - 143786,144046.  What does that mean?
Should hda11 and hda13 say hfs+?

I hope all of these little detail questions are relevent.  Asking 
questions about little details can help with the big picture.  Any 
advice you feel like giving would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,

Dave



Derick Centeno wrote:

> Hi Dave:
> Here is a link to a TSS page which you really do want to read before  
> going any farther:
>
> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/installation/ 
> guide2.2.shtml#install
>
> Red Hat is useful sometimes but remember they couldn't care less 
> about  OS 9 or other non-PC partitioning schemes so the likely hood of 
> you  finding anything other than references to detailed applications 
> in  Linux is really, really remote.  In other words, you are in a 
> Apple  PowerPC universe and those are the only references which are 
> going to  be helpful.  If you wish to learn about details regarding 
> creating  mount points within Linux and so on that is fine to use Red 
> Hat but  they will not tell you what a MacOS partition looks like 
> within Linux  using any application like pdisk or parted (partition 
> editor).  The  page I found, created by TSS the makers of YDL, will!  
> That's what you  need.
>
> Attention: Although the page refers to YDL 2.2, the partitioning and  
> mount point instructions are consistent across all versions of YDL 
> for  Macs.  This will continue until Apple finally actually switches 
> to  Intell and then everyone must consider to either stay with 
> PowerPC  systems and move up to Genesi/Pegasos hardware or follow 
> Apple or just  throw up one's hands and use PCs or Sun's or whatever 
> else is out  there.  May a HAL 2000 anyone? :-)
>
> Oh yes... I forgot.  After Apple switches to Intel, then maybe Red 
> Hat  may show an interest in serving the users of the New Intel based 
> Macs  who also want to use Linux.
> That however will be a different list, probably not this one.
>
> Best wishes...
>
> On Aug 8, 2005, at 5:03 PM, David Froseth wrote:
>
>> Thanks Derick for the quick response.  It helped.  From now on I 
>> will  only do this critical setup manually.  More questions.  I 
>> understand  that the untitled spaces are linux partitions that OS X 
>> does not  recognize.  Initially when I tried to manually input the 
>> partition  info I was asked for a mount point.  The manual 
>> partitioning would not  continue unless I fill this in.  Page 5 of 
>> the "A Companion to Install  YDL" does not tell you what to do.  I 
>> want to make sure I use up all  of the free space and also put the 
>> linux partitions in front of the OS  X and OS 9 partitions.  Any 
>> explaination on how to control  the spot  on the hard drive where the 
>> partitions reside?  Thanks for any advice.   I found some disk druid 
>> tutorials on the net which are geared to Red  Hat,  I will study them 
>> to see if I can figure this out more.  Thanks  again.
>>
>> Dave
>
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