fsck and filesystem errors - erratum

[Derick Centeno]

Duh... OX 3 --> OS X

Derick Centeno wrote:
> Hi Paul:
>
> Part of what makes this list so accessible is that we each have a turn 
> at experiencing a ... duh ... moment.  Many who participate here report 
> what worked and what didn't, and more.  Although other sites may have 
> more copious information, here a sort of communal drive towards mastery 
> appears to exist.  This is rather interesting as most efforts in 
> education are individual requiring individual development.  There 
> appears to be an element within the community comprising this list to do 
> things differently, such that it appears that the community rises or 
> progresses together with the individuals who are learning and who are 
> learned.  This is something very special and unique to this community.
>
> Regarding OS X and ext3:  One interesting difference between OX 3 and 
> Linux is that journaling can be turned off and on as often as one 
> pleases.  This is not the case, as far as I know with ext3.  I think 
> that the interdependent relationships for the ext3 structure is more 
> involved.  As I intimated earlier you may be ahead of me; I'll also have 
> to refer to the Linux Documentation Project link I provided earlier for 
> more information.
>
> Good Luck and I look forward to learning more of your progress!
>
> Derick.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Paul Higgins wrote:
>   
>> Thanks for your help on this; I'll report back to the list on how things went 
>> with the disk repairs.  The info that I got from the automatic fsck done at 
>> boot time suggested a problem with only one file, so hopefully not much else 
>> is wrong.  I obviously wasn't thinking too clearly when I sent that message 
>> re: repairing a boot drive without booting from the CD...duh.
>>
>> Re: OS X vs. ext3 and journaling filesystems, I know that since OS 10.3, X has 
>> used a journaling filesystem similar to ext3.  You're right about the amount 
>> of hand-holding that goes on in OS X; while going with FreeBSD is the best 
>> decision Apple ever made, there are some things about it that really drive me 
>> crazy.  I find Linux to be a much more powerful OS, though there are one or 
>> two things about it that drive me crazy as well (e.g. not being able to 
>> automount flash drives).  YDL running the KDE desktop to me seems like the 
>> best compromise between the two.  (I like Gnome as well, but I find it a bit 
>> too rigid in the way it makes me work; KDE seems a lot more like OS X to me).
>>
>> -PRH
>>
>> P.S.  It was estimated somewhere that about 90% of OS X is GPL/BSD code, but 
>> as far as I'm aware, Apple's software falls under several licenses.  Most of 
>> the Unix stuff is BSD-licensed and can be downloaded free from Apple.  Of 
>> course, things like their window manager are closed-source.
>>
>> On Saturday 16 September 2006 05:23, Derick Centeno wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Hi Paul:
>>>
>>> I don't use that version of YDL however, the instructions are pretty
>>> clear.  You can try to see if it works using the 1st install CD of YDL
>>> 4.0 and proceed from there.
>>>
>>> The whole point of using a repair tool like fsck is to use it on the
>>> drive you want repaired, not on the same drive the tool is running
>>> from.  Think about it.  This also holds true for any OS whether it be
>>> Windows, Macs or something else.  Just to extend the discussion a tiny
>>> bit, this is why Micromat developed the eDrive concept which is
>>> essentially a tiny partition with the requisite software so that the
>>> partition with OS X can be safely repaired from this eDrive -- a rather
>>> nice trick.  However with YDL also on the same drive that means I've got
>>> three different partitions OS X, the eDrive, and YDL; it took a lot of
>>> thinking to figure out the proper partition structures allowing them to
>>> share one drive.
>>> There is no manual for that I'm afraid.
>>>
>>> Anyway don't get confused regarding what OS X can do with journaling and
>>> ext3.  Referring to details of the formatting theory behind these
>>> concepts is a bit of a challenge and definitely not light reading but as
>>> you've gotten this far you might as well go farther and do the
>>> research.  I'm right behind ya buddy, and should review the same
>>> material myself!  I just don't intend to do that kind of reading right now!
>>>
>>> Linux, or any other OS, has tools which need to be mastered by
>>> independent minded persons -- like ourselves -- who want to do things
>>> our own way.  You can't get much more your own way, than open source.
>>> Sadly, as attractive as OS X is; it is too seductive in that nearly
>>> anyone can become too comfortable in being supported by the OS and
>>> forgetting that it is in fact a tool in the same way that the keyboard
>>> is a tool.  And like any tool one should be familiar with it's guts so
>>> that one builds what one wants!  Of course, Apple's design is
>>> intentionally structured to make you forget that ... the computer is
>>> your buddy, your friend, and for some people ... well, you get the idea.
>>>
>>> YDL is a tool for you.  Yours.  Mine.  Completely.  YDL is completely
>>> open and available for minute study, research and review.  OS X is only
>>> somewhat open even though officially it's license is defined as
>>> equivalent to the GPL (this is still a point of argument for some).
>>> Apple can remove the source of OS X and make it unavailable at any
>>> time.  I believe YDL is a special, high quality Linux; it shares with
>>> all other Linux that ALL it's source is available -- all the time.  No
>>> need to ask permission to see it!  So let's take advantage of that fact
>>> and dig in!
>>> Take charge --- own it!
>>>
>>> I believe Picard (a character of the Enterprise universe) would
>>> encourage and challenge us if he was our instructor with the phrase,
>>> "dare to make it so!"
>>>
>>> Good Luck...
>>>     
>>>       
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